anyone try to purchase ammo or guns lately?

[bearanddragon]

just went shooting today. wow! price of ammo is 2x here in nevada - and that's with a ridiculous 40 round per person limit, because too many people were bulk buying to price gouge. my local store is just about out of long guns, and has a few of the more exotic hand guns that no one really buys. there was a gun show this weekend too, and all the .223/5.56 ammo was gone within a couple hours.

[Osiris]

Yeah I tried to order some .223/5.56 ammo as a Xmas present for my buddy online and it was sold out.

...Checking back now, it looks like it still is. It probably will be right up until the new ban passes, too.

[Devlin]

Been looking for an CMMG upper but they are back ordered for months. A local shop I was at the other day only had what some call Fudd guns left.

[Woodsman]

THANK FUCK I HANDLOAD!!!!

All my stuff was bought before the psycho killed the CT school children, so I had good timing. I now wish I had bought as many stripped lower receivers and 30 round green follower mags so I could jack up the price on them 2-3x and reap the benefit of this price whoring rampage.

I ordered (2) 30 rounders and (1) 4 rounder - for hunting, of course - just before this event and I couldn't be happier.

Also, ordered a case + of ammo (sometimes I like someone else to load them first, then I just use the brass 7-8 more times).

I still need some primers, bullets and powder. Guess I better get going on that. :)

[Ronbo]

I wonder how many people are stocking up on guns and ammunition only because they fear a civil war?

Gun Owners Mad As Hell And Will Not Take It!omega-dispatch-logo-with-golden-omega
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J. D. Longstreet# 213

There is a purge of Congress in the offing. It will be historic in its magnitude.

Allow me to be as clear as I possibly can about this because the disconnect between the people of America and their government has become so complete, the distance between the citizen and the government has become so broad, that Washington is hearing only a faint whisper (If they hear anything at all!) coming from those of us outside the beltway.

So let me say this clearly, loudly, and in a declarative manner: Attention Senators and US Representatives: If you vote for the new Assault Weapons Ban your political career in the US Congress is OVER. That is O V E R! Complete, finished, ended, kaput!

For the past few days I have been going over and over Senator Diane Feinstein's proposal for a new Assault Weapons Ban and it reads like some sort of "edict" handed down from the politburo in old Soviet Socialist Russia. (The politburo is the chief executive and political committee of the Communist Party.)
It IS as bad as I had suspected -- but it is much, much, worse!

If you have not read the proposed bill, there is a "Summary" of the bill in PDF format you must read. You will find it here: http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/ ... 8ca4359119
The full text of the proposed bill has been taken down from the Senator's website and, instead, we find the summary.
I am including a copy of the text of that summary below which was taken from the Senator's website:QUILL # 4
Summary of 2013 legislation
Following is a summary of the 2013 legislation:

Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of:
120 specifically-named firearms;
Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one or more military characteristics; and
Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds.
Strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and various state bans by:
Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test;
Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test; and
Banning firearms with “thumbhole stocks” and “bullet buttons” to address attempts to “work around” prior bans.
Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.
Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by:
Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment;
Exempting over 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or sporting purposes; and
Exempting antique, manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons.
Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include:
Background check of owner and any transferee;
Type and serial number of the firearm;
Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;
Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and
Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration.
A pdf of the bill summary is available here: http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/ ... 8ca4359119
What we have here is a full-out, frontal assault on gun owners of America -- not to mention a complete infringement of the rights of gun owners as spelled out, clearly, in the Second Amendment to the US Constitution. It is as if the 2nd Amendment does not exist.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." ... 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution
CONGRESS SUPPORT THE 2ND AMENDMENTI keep wondering what part of "shall not be infringed" do they not understand??? The definition of "infringe" is:"to go against." That, then, would mean, it seems to me, the entire proposed 2013 Assault Weapons Ban is unconstitutional from the git-go! It is clearly an "infringement" on the rights of US citizens as spelled out in the 2nd Amendment.
As we learn, by dribs and drabs, what's in Feinstein's bill it becomes even more disturbing.
In my family we have a long standing tradition of "handing-down" our guns to the next generation. I have been looking forward to the day I will hand-down my weapons to my grandson. Now I learn that should Feinstein's bill pass into law, I will not be able to do that. Nor will you.
"According to the outline of Feinstein’s bill, it will grandfather in all legally owned weapons, but it will require they be registered and the owner fingerprinted. It will require a $200 per weapon tax be paid. The guns will not be transferable, meaning that upon the death of the owner the guns will become the property of the Federal government. It will allow the sale of 900 specifically named weapons, but none that can accept a detachable magazine that holds more than 10 rounds." SOURCE: http://personalliberty.com/2012/12/31/t ... ab-cometh/ _Obama_Shredding_the_Constitution
All this is bad enough, but consider this: If the Congress refuses to pass Feinstein's bill into law, isn't it reasonable to expect that Obama will issue the necessary Executive Orders to do much the same thing by way of rules and regulations, which have the force of law, and those rules and regs will be executed by the alphabet agencies under his control such as BATFE and the DHS, and even the agency, or agencies, charged with the supervision of Obamacare.
ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES! Losing our freedom, our liberty, and our COUNTRY is a consequence of the November sixth election. But to be honest, we have to admit the problem began when the American people turned to socialism and a strong central government. THISis the price we pay.
But what the hey! It's only freedom. It's just our liberty. It's just our birthright! And finally -- it is just the soul of our country.
This is about far more than guns and who has them. This is about slavery to the state. Pure and simple. It's not hard. It's not difficult. It is easily understood --if you're not afraid of the truth.
In the not too distant future there will come a call -- a clarion call. Whether America lives -- or dies -- will depend upon who among her people answers that call. The faint-hearted need not bother themselves. Their services will not be required. When the call comes you can be sure the "Land of the free" is in need of rescue by those Americans from the "Home of the BRAVE." Soins and Daughters of Heroes
Mark my words: The call WILL come. The rapid rate at which America is spiraling downward is matched by the rapid rate at which patriotism is spiraling upward among freedom loving Americans. The men and women who have always stepped forward from the masses to save America will step forward againfor they are the sons and daughters of heroes. They know the cost -- and the price -- of freedom for their families have paid it many times before. THEY will do the RIGHT thing -- because IT IS THE RIGHT THING.
"Through the travail of the agespatton-field-commander Midst the pomp and toil of war Have I fought and strove and perished
Countless times upon this star.
I have sinned and I have suffered
Played the hero and the knave
Fought for belly, shame or country
And for each have found a grave.
So as through a glass and darkly
The age long strife I see
Where I fought in many guises,
Many names - but always me."
--- General George S Patton, Jr.
The poem above is from the pen of a man who, as a boy sat at the feet of, and rode with an aging Col. John Singleton Mosby, the "Gray Ghost" of Confederate Army fame. Gen. George Patten knew that the men and women I write of above are with us always and when called upon they unflinchingly step forward. And they will again. They only await the call.
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[El Pelon]

The gunshop where my wife works is off the chain. The system crashed hard when they were getting orders for ARs and AKs that went to levels that surprised even them. They can't even list black guns online like they had before the psychosis because the system can't keep up with the orders (they are working on revamping the ordering system). They had to start listing them on their auction site and people are bidding them to stupid levels. The shop even asked people (via their facebook page) to quit bidding the guns that high because a 700 dollar gun isn't worth 2500 bucks yet. People keep bidding them up though. The showroom is a madhouse as well.

[ROMAD_25]

It looks like Washington just got in bed with the gun industry.

All of the shops out here are taking advantage of "impending crackdown" by cranking up prices on all calibers, even shotgun shells.

I went in with my buddy to get a Mossberg shotgun and he ended up telling the owner to fuck off for gouging him.

By the way, the shop owner is my buddy's brother-in-law and he is telling us that FFL fees are supposedly going to skyrocket within the next month, so he has to fuck his customers to stay in business...

[ReptilianKittenEater]

I wonder how many people are stocking up on guns and ammunition only because they fear a civil war?

Are you fearing a civil war? That's out of character!

So let me say this clearly, loudly, and in a declarative manner: Attention Senators and US Representatives: If you vote for the new Assault Weapons Ban your political career in the US Congress is OVER. That is O V E R! Complete, finished, ended, kaput!

It would be nice if they were told the same thing about getting their finances in order. The stock market might go up.

[RYP]

Its getting so bad it's cheaper to hire a hitman.

[gnaruki]

Haven't seen any price gouging on ammo because there isn't much for sale. Last week I went with my friend to pick up an SKS he ordered online. The shop had sold 19 ARs the week after the shooting and couldn't order any more.

[Ronbo]

Its getting so bad it's cheaper to hire a hitman.

What do you think about a possible Second U.S. Civil War, RYP?

I would value your opinion as a man who has witnessed civil wars in all corners of the globe.

Speaking as a history buff and one who has closely watched the gathering civil war storm - I see ominous parallels with America today and the 1850s led up to the First U.S. Civil War in 1861 - an ideologically divided country, compromise becoming impossible, a firestorm of verbal hatred between the opposing forces who charge one another with "treason."

And so forth...

[Ronbo]

I wonder how many people are stocking up on guns and ammunition only because they fear a civil war?

Are you fearing a civil war? That's out of character!

So let me say this clearly, loudly, and in a declarative manner: Attention Senators and US Representatives: If you vote for the new Assault Weapons Ban your political career in the US Congress is OVER. That is O V E R! Complete, finished, ended, kaput!

It would be nice if they were told the same thing about getting their finances in order. The stock market might go up.

Any sane person, especially one who has been to the combat zone, fears war - and the worst form of war is the civil type where your wife or brother becomes the enemy.

In the last civil war America fought over one million civilians and military were killed. The wounded ran into several millions.

...not to mention the most wealthy part of the country was reduced to smoking ruins that looked like Germany did in 1945.

Yes, I know myself and others like me who WARN of civil war are called "war mongers" - but in fact we are the canary in the coal mine who WARN of danger!

But like the prophet Cassandra, our warnings will be ignored, as they are too terrible to be believed - and what will be, will be.

BTW, put your money into gold, because the civil war will likely be preceded by an economic collapse of 1929 scale.

[friendlyskies]

I don't really see those parallels. I mean, in the 1850s you had a rebellious faction in Congress that was actively hiring mercenary armies to try and create new slave states - William Walker's fillibusterers, for example, which tried to create five new slave states in Central America (and had their asses kicked by Cornelius Vanderbilt, Abraham Lincoln's sugardaddy when they were beefing up the US Navy haha). Legally, they were lobbying to turn territories into slave states to balance the USA out. It was a pretty clear line in the sand, well, except for Kentucky and Missouri.

Nowadays, if history is indeed repeating itself, this round is "farce." Sure, there's a Red/Blue State divide, but it's not like the GOP is hiring Blackwater et al to turn Iraqistan into new Red States; hell, it was the GOP who wrote nationalized health care, gun control, and religious tolerance into the new Iraqi constitution (google before you quote me though), which is all pretty darned Blue State. And despite Obama's much ballyhooed Lincoln fetish, he's expanded the Patriot Act, passed NDAA, and gone to war with all kinds of bonus countries like Yemen and Libya, all of which is straight up Red State and not in opposition to the GOP at all, except for the fabulous Pauls.

And the guns thing? Come on. Obama can't and won't touch gun control. He'll talk it up if the broken bodies of 20 little kids are scattered all over the nightly news, but rhetoric isn't action. Feinstein is a statistical outlier - she's also, as I pointed out in the other thread, one of the only Senators who was willing to fight the NDAA's provision for indefinitely detaining US citizens on US soil without trial. Just about everyone else, GOP or Dem, was more than happy to fuck your Fifth Amendment rights on orders from.... well, no one knows who was behind that mess. (John Negroponte, probably.) But it wasn't their constituency. If this is indeed a conspiracy to enslave the US people, I bet they've figured a way to do it even if a bunch of people have guns. Feinstein's bill just allows the anti-gun folks to let off a little steam, gun companies to make a little money, and then let the whole thing quietly blow over by March when a new shiny object will have the USA's full attention.

Civil War? Erm... remember after Obama won and they had all those retarded Secession Petitions that got some teeny tiny percentage of the US public to sign? That mess just made the opposition look impotent and ridiculous, no one wants to be on the side of impotent and ridiculous. And the gun people aren't doing themselves any favors when they say things (and I see this on Facebook all the time) like, "Well, I have guns and with guns I can take whatever I want when the shit hits the fan! My family will be fine [subtext: at the expense of your family.]" That makes them look like criminals, on the level of Mara Salvatrucha, not freedom fighters a la the Green Mountain Boys. Who is going to support a group who is actively planning to shoot your kids and take their food, because they spent their money on guns instead of food? No one. The people they are threatening (the vast majority of USAmericans) would back the Feds even if the Feds took away the whole fucking Bill of Rights, if the "Civil War"just means open season on everyone who spent their savings on education and businesses rather than a bunch of guns.

But whatever. No one wanted my opinion, but hey, this is the BFC so just scroll on by....

[Hitoru]

Haven't seen any price gouging on ammo because there isn't much for sale. Last week I went with my friend to pick up an SKS he ordered online. The shop had sold 19 ARs the week after the shooting and couldn't order any more.

I saw online where someone was trying to sell a $300 SKS with accessories for $900.

[Hitoru]

But whatever. No one wanted my opinion, but hey, this is the BFC so just scroll on by....

I appreciate your insights fs.