I don't really see those parallels. I mean, in the 1850s you had a rebellious faction in Congress that was actively hiring mercenary armies to try and create new slave states - William Walker's fillibusterers, for example, which tried to create five new slave states in Central America (and had their asses kicked by Cornelius Vanderbilt, Abraham Lincoln's sugardaddy when they were beefing up the US Navy haha). Legally, they were lobbying to turn territories into slave states to balance the USA out. It was a pretty clear line in the sand, well, except for Kentucky and Missouri.
Nowadays, if history is indeed repeating itself, this round is "farce." Sure, there's a Red/Blue State divide, but it's not like the GOP is hiring Blackwater et al to turn Iraqistan into new Red States; hell, it was the GOP who wrote nationalized health care, gun control, and religious tolerance into the new Iraqi constitution (google before you quote me though), which is all pretty darned Blue State. And despite Obama's much ballyhooed Lincoln fetish, he's expanded the Patriot Act, passed NDAA, and gone to war with all kinds of bonus countries like Yemen and Libya, all of which is straight up Red State and not in opposition to the GOP at all, except for the fabulous Pauls.
And the guns thing? Come on. Obama can't and won't touch gun control. He'll talk it up if the broken bodies of 20 little kids are scattered all over the nightly news, but rhetoric isn't action. Feinstein is a statistical outlier - she's also, as I pointed out in the other thread, one of the only Senators who was willing to fight the NDAA's provision for indefinitely detaining US citizens on US soil without trial. Just about everyone else, GOP or Dem, was more than happy to fuck your Fifth Amendment rights on orders from.... well, no one knows who was behind that mess. (John Negroponte, probably.) But it wasn't their constituency. If this is indeed a conspiracy to enslave the US people, I bet they've figured a way to do it even if a bunch of people have guns. Feinstein's bill just allows the anti-gun folks to let off a little steam, gun companies to make a little money, and then let the whole thing quietly blow over by March when a new shiny object will have the USA's full attention.
Civil War? Erm... remember after Obama won and they had all those retarded Secession Petitions that got some teeny tiny percentage of the US public to sign? That mess just made the opposition look impotent and ridiculous, no one wants to be on the side of impotent and ridiculous. And the gun people aren't doing themselves any favors when they say things (and I see this on Facebook all the time) like, "Well, I have guns and with guns I can take whatever I want when the shit hits the fan! My family will be fine [subtext: at the expense of your family.]" That makes them look like criminals, on the level of Mara Salvatrucha, not freedom fighters a la the Green Mountain Boys. Who is going to support a group who is actively planning to shoot your kids and take their food, because they spent their money on guns instead of food? No one. The people they are threatening (the vast majority of USAmericans) would back the Feds even if the Feds took away the whole fucking Bill of Rights, if the "Civil War"just means open season on everyone who spent their savings on education and businesses rather than a bunch of guns.
But whatever. No one wanted my opinion, but hey, this is the BFC so just scroll on by....
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