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Re: NYC f'd?

Postby ROB » Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:05 am

You seriously undervalue the political currency of the term “international coalition.”
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Postby el3so » Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:27 pm

ROB wrote: undervalue the political currency
Maybe that still works down under, we put our thrust in treaties.
In case of "real war" most of the locals bank on NATO and maybe in some distant future a EU common military but most of today's threats are either small, asymmetric , faraway or a combination thereof.

Can't complain really, sure beats waiting for the dudes in Feldgrau/Flektarn to march in or those Russians to nuke us.
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Re: NYC f'd?

Postby Kurt » Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:57 am

One thing that is not fucked about NYC is that the vaccine passport thing is working combined with vax / or weekly testing mandate for going back to work.

We got a 1.1% infection rate.

The only people not wearing masks indoors in public are tourists from other areas of the US.

We have ICU space.

A friend of mine in Iowa has a developmentally disabled child who just had possibly life saving surgery delayed because anti vax dipshits are taking up all the resources. Now she is fighting her insurance plan to come here and have it done. She probably wont succeed either since her plan only covers a "radius" of 200 miles and the whole state of Iowa (for US healthcare this is normal and on the "good" side).

So we just have to worry about nature here. In spite of endemic but minor corruption we are actually pretty well run here. Our "crime spike" still has us below most American cities with populations over 200k.

We just need to double our pumping system capacity.
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Re: NYC f'd?

Postby snaark » Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:08 pm

Kurt wrote:A friend of mine in Iowa has a developmentally disabled child who just had possibly life saving surgery delayed because anti vax dipshits are taking up all the resources. Now she is fighting her insurance plan to come here and have it done. She probably wont succeed either since her plan only covers a "radius" of 200 miles and the whole state of Iowa (for US healthcare this is normal and on the "good" side).


Three things I will never understand about the US:
- infatuation with guns
- lack of holidays
- health insurance
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Re: NYC f'd?

Postby Kurt » Fri Oct 01, 2021 7:53 pm

snaark wrote:
Kurt wrote:A friend of mine in Iowa has a developmentally disabled child who just had possibly life saving surgery delayed because anti vax dipshits are taking up all the resources. Now she is fighting her insurance plan to come here and have it done. She probably wont succeed either since her plan only covers a "radius" of 200 miles and the whole state of Iowa (for US healthcare this is normal and on the "good" side).


Three things I will never understand about the US:
- infatuation with guns
- lack of holidays
- health insurance


Guns are fun. But yah, so is driving fast and drunk.
Holidays are fun too but we hardly have them. I guess guns are our holiday. I worked at a factory once where thry offered paid holiday for 1 day for every year you worked that. You had to work 1 year plus 1 day to claim it. We totally suck.
We have public healthcare but it is at the County level. So if I go to the ER for strep throat and i cannot pay, the hospital bills the county and then the county may try to find what county they can bill. So, I live in Kings County NY (Brooklyn) but if i go to the ER in Queens county (Queens) the Queens may bill Kings and Kings may bill NYC or Kings and NYC may join forces and try to claim my birth county 1000 miles away is liable for me.
This is why healthcare in the US is shit and a bazillion dollars.
Its really odd when you consider COVID treatment is "free" and the people sucking up all the treatment now are anti vaxxers who are opposed to healthcare "socialism".
When I lived in Bulgaria I was told about queueing during communism. I understood the concept but I had no grasp of the experience. Like how you would send granparents out to queue for whatever everyday and how they would get UTI and kidney infections from having to not pee all day long.
Same with the US and health care. You probably get the concept but will never really grasp it.
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Re: NYC f'd?

Postby sparrow » Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:50 am

^I'm blowing this up and framing it. In my office.

I'll post a picture later.
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Re: NYC f'd?

Postby Dabbi » Mon Nov 01, 2021 9:23 pm

ReptilianKittenEater wrote:I'd go there again, it does have an otherworldly feel and is cloudy and cool. It may be neat to 4 x 4 through the interior of the country.

Faroe Islands are another place that feels otherworldly if you don't mind missing the sun for a while.


If you like 4x4 driving it's one of the most fun things that you can do with challenges in navigation, driving and learning how to handle the trucks in the frozen landscapes.
If you do it during the wintertime I would always reccomend going with a guide or with someone that knows what they are doing.



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Postby ROB » Tue Nov 02, 2021 7:55 am

el3so wrote:
ROB wrote: undervalue the political currency
Maybe that still works down under, we put our thrust in treaties.


I am not talking about its utility in a war. I am talking about its utility as a domestic political tool in the US.
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Re: NYC f'd?

Postby Kurt » Tue Nov 02, 2021 2:01 pm

More on NYC being fucked:

Cops: Chaos will ensue if there is a vaccine mandate. Cops will quit in droves and NYC will be unprotected.
Florida: We will pay unvaxxed cops to locate here and bro-hang with our unvaxxed cops.
Reality: 34 Cops placed on unpaid leave and 40 civilian NYPD employees. ...Out of 35k workers.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 49518.html

But to keep the "collapse of NYC because of vaccine mandate" thing going now they are basically saying "yah, but the Firefighters...Hoo boy when that deadline hits those firefighters will quit in droves and NYC will burn" For some reason FDNY has vax rate at the lower level than Mississippi. But threats of pay and pension will work again.

So far the only successful "Labor Action" the Cops here did was to drunkenly storm City Hall in the early 1990s after getting shit-faced in Chinatown's Irish bars (it was a thing then) and then threatening to murder mayor Dinkins. Why did they do this? They did not want the Civilian Review board to contain actual Civilians who were not retired cops or relatives of active cops.
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Re: NYC f'd?

Postby ROB » Wed Nov 03, 2021 6:35 am

Antivaxxers have some real "you're not my dad!!" vibes happening.
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Postby el3so » Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:32 pm

ROB wrote: I am not talking about its utility in a war. I am talking about its utility as a domestic political tool in the US.
Think the current climate in the USA involves too much navel-gazing to care about some peon country buying their subs. But defense spending and pork-barrel go together like shit and flies, sole reason why the French are so miffed.
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Postby ROB » Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:22 pm

el3so wrote:
ROB wrote: I am not talking about its utility in a war. I am talking about its utility as a domestic political tool in the US.
Think the current climate in the USA involves too much navel-gazing to care about some peon country buying their subs.


Ok, let me spell this out.

American governments like to invade countries.

American people don't like it as much, but can be convinced.

In order to convince American people, it seriously helps the American government if they can claim they are not the only ones who feel that shithole X needs to be invaded. Look at all of these other free countries that want to invade them too! This isn't an "invasion," it's a "coalition!"

When presented with such evidence, a small, but potentially election shifting element of the American people change their tune to pro invasion (or at least not anti-invasion).

When election comes around, that small % of the population doesn't need as much convincing to keep the existing government in power.

In return, small cooperative countries like Australia who cannot afford huge navies **might** get to borrow the keys to the 7th Fleet when their trade routes get blockaded. Of course, they will still need to show that they are willing to defend themselves and put blood into the fight. Hence submarines...

This general state of affairs lasts across decades and all stripes of government in either country...

Before WW2, the exact state of affairs existed with the country that also (at the time) had the largest navy... Britain.
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Postby Kurt » Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:21 am

ROB wrote:
el3so wrote:
ROB wrote: I am not talking about its utility in a war. I am talking about its utility as a domestic political tool in the US.
Think the current climate in the USA involves too much navel-gazing to care about some peon country buying their subs.


Ok, let me spell this out.

American governments like to invade countries.

American people don't like it as much, but can be convinced.

In order to convince American people, it seriously helps the American government if they can claim they are not the only ones who feel that shithole X needs to be invaded. Look at all of these other free countries that want to invade them too! This isn't an "invasion," it's a "coalition!"

When presented with such evidence, a small, but potentially election shifting element of the American people change their tune to pro invasion (or at least not anti-invasion).

When election comes around, that small % of the population doesn't need as much convincing to keep the existing government in power.

In return, small cooperative countries like Australia who cannot afford huge navies **might** get to borrow the keys to the 7th Fleet when their trade routes get blockaded. Of course, they will still need to show that they are willing to defend themselves and put blood into the fight. Hence submarines...

This general state of affairs lasts across decades and all stripes of government in either country...

Before WW2, the exact state of affairs existed with the country that also (at the time) had the largest navy... Britain.


Thats pretty much it right there.

When we naval gaze we are actually looking at our own buttholes by mistake. Our introspection is much more skewed than our world view ( and our world view is messed up).
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Postby el3so » Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:09 am

ROB wrote:Ok, let me spell this out.
Please use less-bigger words.
Look at all of these other free countries that want to invade them too! This isn't an "invasion," it's a "coalition!"
Ok, now I understand what you meant by "domestic political tool in the US".
In return, small cooperative countries like Australia who cannot afford huge navies **might** get to borrow the keys to the 7th Fleet when their trade routes get blockaded.
Before WW2, the exact state of affairs existed with the country that also (at the time) had the largest navy... Britain.
Seems to me that Oceanians are stuck in that situation given the landmass, the population numbers, being islands.
Think we only bought in on those overpriced fighter jets, you being a taxpayer I hope those subs come with a complimentary tube of KY ;-)
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Re: NYC f'd?

Postby ROB » Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:41 pm

I think the French subs were a practically better option. Quieter. Can be serviced at home.

But if the US subs come with a keyring to the 7th Fleet, then...

Last time the shit hit the fan in the Pacific, the brave French beat a glorious, yet hasty fucking retreat. Since then they have lobbed turds and done nothing of significance in this area.

Also, fuck the French.
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