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As predicted things are going sideways in Kabul. ISIS Khorasan is lighting things up around the airport. Let’s see some angry beardie on angry beardie violence.
Apparently the Haqqanis tipped off the talibs who told the US about the potential threat. As expected the talibs did nothing to prevent the murder of their own citizens. So that’s kinda the next few months in Kabul on a nutshell . A dozen splinter groups jostling for control.
vagabond wrote:Wow, that's nuts. Then again, this would be that place.
Re: Pat Tillman/Bobby Sands - Nail on the head.
All the wasted lives over the past 20 years (and counting). I was a freshman in college when this shit started.
Tarkan wrote:vagabond wrote:Wow, that's nuts. Then again, this would be that place.
Re: Pat Tillman/Bobby Sands - Nail on the head.
All the wasted lives over the past 20 years (and counting). I was a freshman in college when this shit started.
Some American kids probably died today who weren't even born before Sep 11, 2001. Hard to believe we have been talking shit to each other for 20 years. The US defeated a much more industrialized and populated Japan and Italy and gave an assist to beating the Germans in under 4 years. If we didn't win in Afghanistan it's not because of ability, it's because the powers that be never intended on winning. A long war pays the grifters off much better than a short one does. I have always said that ISIS was a CIA op, and just like magic when it looks like we are going to pull out, there's a suicide attack to put pressure on Biden to stay. That being said, this has been an unnecessary clusterfuck.
Kurt wrote:Tarkan wrote:vagabond wrote:Wow, that's nuts. Then again, this would be that place.
Re: Pat Tillman/Bobby Sands - Nail on the head.
All the wasted lives over the past 20 years (and counting). I was a freshman in college when this shit started.
Some American kids probably died today who weren't even born before Sep 11, 2001. Hard to believe we have been talking shit to each other for 20 years. The US defeated a much more industrialized and populated Japan and Italy and gave an assist to beating the Germans in under 4 years. If we didn't win in Afghanistan it's not because of ability, it's because the powers that be never intended on winning. A long war pays the grifters off much better than a short one does. I have always said that ISIS was a CIA op, and just like magic when it looks like we are going to pull out, there's a suicide attack to put pressure on Biden to stay. That being said, this has been an unnecessary clusterfuck.
Yep. And some Talib rolled into Kabul who was born with the Americans there.
Anyway, this is done.
I would now like to focus on getting the US to never fight in the next East Asian war. That is a situation where the non combatants will be the only winners.
sparrow wrote:Wait 'til they want to start the next war. Don't kid yourself. It's coming.
Money gotta be made right?
Tarkan wrote:If we didn't win in Afghanistan it's not because of ability, it's because the powers that be never intended on winning. A long war pays the grifters off much better than a short one does.
Kurt wrote:sparrow wrote:Wait 'til they want to start the next war. Don't kid yourself. It's coming.
Money gotta be made right?
War is the dumbest way to make money. The problem was that the Post WWII "boom" happened because our industrial competitors were destroyed and about 250k employable men were killed.
We would have had a post war boom if we had never fought.
Best scenario for the US would be India Vs. China and we sell stuff to Japan, Tiawan and South Korea while we remain nuetral except towards allies we have treaties to protect.
If we fight, we will have more complicated obligations.
ROB wrote:Tarkan wrote:If we didn't win in Afghanistan it's not because of ability, it's because the powers that be never intended on winning. A long war pays the grifters off much better than a short one does.
Define "winning" in the context of Afghanistan.
docwatson. I remember that was an easy mistake to make ;)Kurt wrote: Whats-his-head...the "Can of Beans for a Blow-Job Obama Rape Camp" guy threatened to rat out a user from Egypt to Mubarek's secret police because the Egyptian made the simple mistake of being smarter than Rape Camp in an argument.
No sh!t. A landlocked place with (1) Muslim, (2) non-white and (3) poor people? In 2001?Tarkan wrote: Well, there is winning in the classical imperial sense where we conquer and absorb the conquest. That was never on the table.
No offence to any Turkish lurkers but you already had and still have Inçirlik. Lots of US presence in the Pacific and rest of Asia.Tarkan wrote:There is winning in the neo-imperial sense where we conquer Afghanistan and set up a client state that furthers our interests in the area.
The almighty American stick. And that did happen in the first what, 2 or 3 years?Tarkan wrote:There is winning in a more limited sense which was defeating Al Qaeda and the Taliban and permanently eroding their ability to use Afghanistan as a safe base with which to launch terrorist jihads across the world.
And the carrot part of the story.Tarkan wrote: There is winning in a neo-liberal sense which was defeating Al Qaeda and making Afghanistan into a shining beacon of democracy and human rights.
I disagree, life is way more complicated than that. Most of the things just happened. In 20 years time, a lot of things can and do. There isn't much long-term, grand scheme planning involved with that many people and politicians involved.Tarkan wrote: I think someone or some set of someones achieved their objectives. I think the people calling the shots have a completely different set of objectives than what we see on the surface. And the same player is moving them all around and sacrificing them when it's convenient.
Buzzsaw wrote:If the Taliban gets the seat at the UN will they be able to have the four guys with ARs stand behind their Ambassador when he's on the podium?
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