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Alphabet wrote:I'll bet money that more PB and Oathkeepers types are as ready to see Memphis burn after what just happened than you'd think.
Obviously there are outliers in any organization, but if you think the above mentioned don't see/acknowledge police brutality along the lines ANTIFA and BLM does, you're mistaken.
A burst of gunfire rang through a forest on the edge of Atlanta, Georgia, on the morning of January 18. Manuel Esteban Paez Terán, whose chosen name was Tortuguita (Spanish for “little turtle”), had been shot and killed by police officers, becoming the only known person killed by law enforcement during an environmentalist act of land defense in the U.S.
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To allies, Tortuguita’s killing was the climax of an escalation of police and legal tactics meant to stifle the wide-ranging movement to stop construction of the training center, which includes parks advocates, prison abolitionists, and area neighborhood associations. Over the course of December and January, 19 opponents of the police training center have been charged with felonies under Georgia’s rarely used 2017 domestic terrorism law. But Grist’s review of 20 arrest warrants shows that none of those arrested and slapped with terrorism charges are accused of seriously injuring anyone. Nine are alleged to have committed no specific illegal actions beyond misdemeanor trespassing. Instead, their mere association with a group committed to defending the forest appears to be the foundation for declaring them terrorists. Officials have underlined that an investigation is ongoing, and charges could yet be added or removed.
vagabond wrote:1) I get the feeling you're not as big a fan of Graeber as a lot of folks are. Would like to hear more
2) The guys in camo, or black and yellow fred perry shirs, or carrying guns, carrying torches in Charlottesville were 'flying under the radar'? No, they just get a pass
vagabond wrote:Alphabet wrote:I'll bet money that more PB and Oathkeepers types are as ready to see Memphis burn after what just happened than you'd think.
Obviously there are outliers in any organization, but if you think the above mentioned don't see/acknowledge police brutality along the lines ANTIFA and BLM does, you're mistaken.
Sorry, I'm not mistaken. I've seen the videos, photos of aftermath, etc. It's a double standard. Kurt and I have dropped stories and links. You've dropped continued denials without any evidence.
Here's a more recent example: 1 dead and terrorist charges for environmental protestors vs storming the Capitol
https://grist.org/protest/atlanta-cop-city-terrorism/A burst of gunfire rang through a forest on the edge of Atlanta, Georgia, on the morning of January 18. Manuel Esteban Paez Terán, whose chosen name was Tortuguita (Spanish for “little turtle”), had been shot and killed by police officers, becoming the only known person killed by law enforcement during an environmentalist act of land defense in the U.S.
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To allies, Tortuguita’s killing was the climax of an escalation of police and legal tactics meant to stifle the wide-ranging movement to stop construction of the training center, which includes parks advocates, prison abolitionists, and area neighborhood associations. Over the course of December and January, 19 opponents of the police training center have been charged with felonies under Georgia’s rarely used 2017 domestic terrorism law. But Grist’s review of 20 arrest warrants shows that none of those arrested and slapped with terrorism charges are accused of seriously injuring anyone. Nine are alleged to have committed no specific illegal actions beyond misdemeanor trespassing. Instead, their mere association with a group committed to defending the forest appears to be the foundation for declaring them terrorists. Officials have underlined that an investigation is ongoing, and charges could yet be added or removed.
vagabond wrote:Alphabet wrote:I'll bet money that more PB and Oathkeepers types are as ready to see Memphis burn after what just happened than you'd think.
Obviously there are outliers in any organization, but if you think the above mentioned don't see/acknowledge police brutality along the lines ANTIFA and BLM does, you're mistaken.
Sorry, I'm not mistaken. I've seen the videos, photos of aftermath, etc. It's a double standard. Kurt and I have dropped stories and links. You've dropped continued denials without any evidence.
Here's a more recent example: 1 dead and terrorist charges for environmental protestors vs storming the Capitol
https://grist.org/protest/atlanta-cop-city-terrorism/A burst of gunfire rang through a forest on the edge of Atlanta, Georgia, on the morning of January 18. Manuel Esteban Paez Terán, whose chosen name was Tortuguita (Spanish for “little turtle”), had been shot and killed by police officers, becoming the only known person killed by law enforcement during an environmentalist act of land defense in the U.S.
...
To allies, Tortuguita’s killing was the climax of an escalation of police and legal tactics meant to stifle the wide-ranging movement to stop construction of the training center, which includes parks advocates, prison abolitionists, and area neighborhood associations. Over the course of December and January, 19 opponents of the police training center have been charged with felonies under Georgia’s rarely used 2017 domestic terrorism law. But Grist’s review of 20 arrest warrants shows that none of those arrested and slapped with terrorism charges are accused of seriously injuring anyone. Nine are alleged to have committed no specific illegal actions beyond misdemeanor trespassing. Instead, their mere association with a group committed to defending the forest appears to be the foundation for declaring them terrorists. Officials have underlined that an investigation is ongoing, and charges could yet be added or removed.
Shoot at and killed a federal guard.Kurt wrote: Boogs have been known to shoot at cops.
https://www.npr.org/2022/02/11/10803119 ... 2020-prote
Kurt wrote: One thing that the P.B defense attorneys are kicking ass with is getting the Feds and the cops to admit that the "Less than Lethal" methods of crowd control are not designed to control crowds, they are designed to cause chaos and enrage crowds and then have the cops swoop in, beat some heads, make mass arrests, and then turn it over to the next shift.
Alphabet wrote:"Alleged" boog boy. Just like the "alleged" Bernie Bro who shot up the House baseball game. Because of a Facebook post.
C'mon. Are we really taking the Fed's word for it on anything at this point?
Alleged murderer as well if we're gonna split hairs.Alphabet wrote:"Alleged" boog boy. Are we really taking the Fed's word for it on anything at this point?
Use of force as a means for political change in a democratic system isn't a thing that gets a lot of traction with responsible adults.Kurt wrote:On a weird note many lefties are coming out in favor of Boogs, which is like super, extra dumb.
Kurt wrote:One thing that the P.B defense attorneys are kicking ass with is getting the Feds and the cops to admit that the "Less than Lethal" methods of crowd control are not designed to control crowds, they are designed to cause chaos and enrage crowds and then have the cops swoop in, beat some heads, make mass arrests, and then turn it over to the next shift.
The problem with J6 is that they had "Massive Police forces uses LtL ammo to disrupt and contain crowd" in their playbook but Trumpers pulled resources for that day so they hit them with the LtL shit and then got their asses kicked by the crowd. If I was on the Jury that bit alone would lead me to acquit those traitorous fucks. (Unless the actual conspiracy was shown to be overwhelming, which is hard to do)
So right now as an armchair juror and someone who would prolly be considered to be "Antifa" I would be leaning towards acquittal.
Kurt wrote:Anyway, today their witness is a wheelchair bound videoographer (These dudes loved filming themselves). Their other film maker, the English guy, filmed them complaining about the Wheel Chair Bound Proud Boy getting stuck in the mud and they debated leaving his "crippled ass" there. So this should be fun.
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