Afghanistan: Payback's A Bitch

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Afghanistan: Payback's A Bitch

Postby RYP » Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:57 pm

6. AYALA is a contracted civilian employee in support
of the U.S. Armed Forces serving in Afghanistan. AYALA has
a Letter of Authorization with a contract period start date
of 1 September 2008, with Department of Defense contract
number W91260-06-D-0005, via BAE Systems which is dated 25
September 2008, as a Human Terrain Team (HTT) member in
Afghanistan, U.S. Army Central Command Area of Operations.
7. AYALA is issued and authorized a DOD Identification
Card.
8. AYALA was in the U.S. Army for an unknown period of
time. Prior to 2008, AYALA was employed in the Iraq Theater
of Operations by an unknown company, where he provided
personal security for the Iraqi Prime Minister. AYALA was
also employed in the Afghanistan Theater of Operations by an
unknown company prior to 2008, where he provided personal
security for the Afghan President. AYALA was later hired by
BAE Systems, and returned to Afghanistan. He was employed
in the Regional Command (RC) - South Area of Operations (AO)
and began working with a BAE Systems HTT in support of U.S.
Armed Forces.

IV. Nature of the Offense
9. On 4 November 2008, AYALA went on a walking patrol
from Forward Operating Base (FOB) Hutal, Afghanistan, into
the adjacent village of Chehel Gazi, Afghanistan,
approximately 80 kilometers west of Kandahar, Afghanistan.
The patrol consisted of one platoon of U.S. Army infantry
Soldiers of C Company, 2-2 Infantry Battalion, three HTT
members (Ms. Paula Loyd, Mr. Clint Cooper, and Mr. Don
Ayala), and three local national interpreters. While in the
village, Ms. Loyd was attacked by Mr. Abdul Salam, an Afghan
citizen from Kandahar, Afghanistan. Salam lit a container
of flammable liquid and threw it on Loyd setting her on
fire, causing second and third degree burns over about sixty
percent of her body.
10. Salam immediately fled the scene and ran about 50
meters toward AYALA. AYALA drew his pistol but did not fire
at Salam. AYALA instead extended his arm, causing Salam to
run into his arm and fall to the ground. AYALA attempted to
restrain Salam and was assisted by soldiers from the platoon
who responded to the scene. Salam was restrained with
plastic restraints (also called "flexcuffs" or "zipcuffs"),
around his wrists, which were behind his back. At this
point Salam became a detainee, by U.S. military definition.
Case 1:08-mj-00989-TRJ Document 2 Filed 11/19/2008 Page 4 of 7
AYALA further restrained Salam by kneeling over Salam and
using his body weight to hold Salam to the ground. AYALA
also pointed his pistol at Salam's head. Salam continued to
resist detention, but there were several Soldiers around him
and AYALA had Salam effectively immobilized. After about
ten minutes, a soldier approached the location where AYALA
had Salam detained and informed the personnel in the area
that Loyd was burned badly. AYALA pushed his pistol against
Salam's head and shot Salam, killing him instantly.
Case 1:08-mj-00989-TRJ Document 2 Filed 11/19/2008 Page 5 of 7
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Re: Afghanistan: Payback's A Bitch

Postby flipflop » Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:02 pm

Justice served, the law is an ass

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Re: Afghanistan: Payback's A Bitch

Postby thewalrus » Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:04 pm

For those who haven't seen it yet:

http://cryptome.info/0001/hts-gitmode.htm
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Re: Afghanistan: Payback's A Bitch

Postby flipflop » Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:27 pm

Was Ayala banging the bird that got burned? If he was then his actions seem easier to understand. Either way, he should be fucking commended for wiping out this sorry piece of excrement, not locked up

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Re: Afghanistan: Payback's A Bitch

Postby Q » Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:29 pm

thewalrus wrote:For those who haven't seen it yet:

http://cryptome.info/0001/hts-gitmode.htm



Sounds like the govt. is coming down on him hard to deflect that their security fucked up and allowed this fuckhead to get a petrol bomb inside their zone. It also states that he "tracked" the guy down and shot him. Hmmmm....
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Re: Afghanistan: Payback's A Bitch

Postby coldharvest » Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:33 pm

Allah's will be done.
I know the law. And I have spent my entire life in its flagrant disregard.
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Re: Afghanistan: Payback's A Bitch

Postby RYP » Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:43 pm

I met this guy in baghdad. If its the same Ayala that was working as a security guard for the Prime Minister... I could see why he would dispatch the little shitbag but at least he could have snipped his flexicuffs first and given him a head start...its the difference between manslaughter and a tight pattern.
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Re: Afghanistan: Payback's A Bitch

Postby xenu » Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:08 pm

Here is my legal interpretation based on Afghan tribal law - no the puppet government's laws.

Was the woman covered? Was she in the company of her male relatives?

If the answer to both is No, then Mr. Salami had every right to spray petrol on this woman and set her ablaze.
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Re: Afghanistan: Payback's A Bitch

Postby coldharvest » Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:10 pm

xenu wrote:Here is my legal interpretation based on Afghan tribal law - no the puppet government's laws.

Was the woman covered? Was she in the company of her male relatives?

If the answer to both is No, then Mr. Salami had every right to spray petrol on this woman and set her ablaze.

You still have no real clue, do you?
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Re: Afghanistan: Payback's A Bitch

Postby redharen » Fri Nov 21, 2008 2:53 pm

coldharvest wrote:Allah's will be done.


In this case it's "Ayala's will be done."
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Re: Afghanistan: Payback's A Bitch

Postby Farmdog » Fri Nov 21, 2008 4:39 pm

Can I get the full peice / citation posted for work Mr. RYP?

Google is just craning out low quality information / stories on this at the minute.
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Re: Afghanistan: Payback's A Bitch

Postby RYP » Fri Nov 21, 2008 4:40 pm

Its actually the court document. Send me your email.
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Re: Afghanistan: Payback's A Bitch

Postby Liam » Sat Nov 22, 2008 12:00 am

This is posted on Lightfighter, but the part about flex cuffs is not being mentioned. That is a significant point of the story.

Two wrongs does not make a right, though I can see the point of the contractor in this.
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Re: Afghanistan: Payback's A Bitch

Postby Jumper » Sat Nov 22, 2008 6:27 am

Yeah, this is a tough deal. On the one hand, the fucking animal tried to kill Ayala's comrade and client. So there is the emotional and ego part of the picture-- he was not able to stop this dude from harming the person he is assigned to protect.

But then there is the rule of law, where you do not kill those that are in your custody and are handcuffed. And Ayala still shot him? Boy, hard to justify any of that.

My thoughts are, that he is now at the mercy of the courts. He is innocent until proven guilty of course. But on this incident, given the details above, it sounds like one big shit sandwich for the guy--hell, for everyone. One burned and out of commission HTT employee, one dead Afghani who attacked that HTT employee, and a security contractor that killed a guy wearing handcuffs. Not good.
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