How Much Shit Will Pres Obama Eat?

[AztecDave]

from this fucking Wog. Seems as if the US perpetually forgets who we are - that we need shitholes and shitheads (Karzai in this case) more than they need us? How long will Obama let the tail wag the goddam dog? Out in 2013? I bet and raise. How about we're out in 2012. Don't call us, we'll call you. Have a nice day.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/18/world ... lobal-home


my vitriol runs strong today.

[nanuq]

The US knew Afghanistan was a cesspool all along. Funding the Taliban made excellent sense when the Soviets were bogged down there for years. It never occurred to anyone that the US military wouldn't fare any better.

[svizzerams]

"Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it." George Santayana

There is a cost to staying through 2013 and a cost for leaving in 2012 - at this point it is hard to say which is higher. That's the problem with war - no one has control of the outcome unless you can vitrify the opponent.

[Michael]

Conspiracy theories aside, I really wish I knew why we conduct foreign policy so consistently stupidly.

[grawp]

Friend Michael wrote:

...I really wish I knew why we conduct foreign policy so consistently stupidly.

So do we all.

God help those who are busy pasting "Kick Me" signs on Obama's back.
The man strikes me as having a bull-sized taste for payback.
If he gets re-elected, something tells me that the drones will have a "target-rich environment" to work with.
If he doesn't get re-elected, I shudder to think of which political hack or wild-eyed zealot will be feverishly thumbing through the launch codes.

[coldharvest]

America refuses to believe the truth about itself, the deep down truth....your leaders are lying thieves sucking on the special interest cock and your history is one of violence against others in the name of Freedom
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket
you fucking stooges

[AztecDave]

America refuses to believe the truth about itself, the deep down truth....your leaders are lying thieves sucking on the special interest cock and your history is one of violence against others in the name of Freedom
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket
you fucking stooges

what you meant to say, you ignoramous, is that America's history is one of violence against others in the name of self advancement. get it right. and since you come across as a total retard, i'll clue you in on something. that's the history of every nation state that's ever existed that ever amounted to anything, ever accomplished anything, or ever will. you are either the conquerer or the conqueree. and it comes with bragging rights. if i was a really vindictive cock, i'd say that since you were probably spawned from camel sperm and delivered from your mother's ass originating in some third world shithole perpetually conquered by other superior peoples that has nothing to offer the world except more dirtbags like yourself, this would be new news to you. but i'm not vindictive, just correct

[muskrat]

Dickbrain Kazai is just playing popularist to the home crowd. Much like McSquinty, Kim Whatever, et al "death to Israel, death to America" crowd. They dont actually mean it but it doesnt make things easier globally.

They all need to be slapped HARD for fucking disrespect.

[friendlyskies]

Well, considering that the US elections are no longer discussing the real wars or concrete economic fundamentals, and have instead veered senselessly into women's reproductive rights and the "class war," I'd say Obama won't eat any shit at all. The media dialogue, hence the public dialogue, is clearly being manipulated into giving him a second term, where he'll continue to do the same pro military-industrial complex, pro-transnational business shit he's been doing. He hasn't rocked any boats, so he'll get four more years as his reward.

I'm with muskrat - Karzai is playing populist, which he has to do to stay in power. He has to have public support or there's no point in backing him anyway. But behind the scenes? Who here knows? None of us.

[friendlyskies]

America refuses to believe the truth about itself, the deep down truth....your leaders are lying thieves sucking on the special interest cock and your history is one of violence against others in the name of Freedom
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket
you fucking stooges

what you meant to say, you ignoramous, is that America's history is one of violence against others in the name of self advancement. get it right. and since you come across as a total retard, i'll clue you in on something. that's the history of every nation state that's ever existed that ever amounted to anything, ever accomplished anything, or ever will. you are either the conquerer or the conqueree. and it comes with bragging rights. if i was a really vindictive cock, i'd say that since you were probably spawned from camel sperm and delivered from your mother's ass originating in some third world shithole perpetually conquered by other superior peoples that has nothing to offer the world except more dirtbags like yourself, this would be new news to you. but i'm not vindictive, just correct

Oh please. Once a nation's policy starts being defined not by the advancement of its people, but by the advancement of foreign business interests, it starts going to shit. See Nigeria, an oil-rich country that should have a standard of living on par with Saudi Arabia, for more on that.

And this is a new ball game anyway, the Malthusian War for Resources. Your mushy attempt at a historic precedent wouldn't even apply if you were being intellectually honest. The transnationals are raising the US/UK Gini coefficient for a reason, so the people WON'T have power. Violence has done nothing but collapse our economies, as was predicted by everyone except those who wanted profits. And China, which hasn't been using traditional violent war in its efforts to consolidate resources, is winning this game. Worse, we've been manipulated into thinking that our natural allies in the Middle East and Latin America are the enemy, and are using violence against them like morons. We're being sabotaged by the transnationals, and violence is just one of their tools to divide and conquer. We did the exact same thing to the USSR, and now we're doing it to ourselves? Yeah, that's logical. Or not.

You sit there and call coldharvest silly names, like a fourth grader, when anyone can just take a look at any US/UK economic indicator before and after Iraqistan (vs China or Brazil, who weren't using violence), and see that your point is absolutely indefensible. But whatever.

[RYP]

The Karzai Brothers have been our house band for many years and they made a lot of money which is now nicely squirreled away in Dubai. Now that he has money and has been licking other dog's balls he is barking a lot. I am sure you have read all about this in Vietnam and other areas where the leader who is feeling his oats meets with an unfortunate accident. You will note he has been making his speeches in English for the western media. The bottom line is that our foreign policy is driven by Afghanistan having only 25M angry people with the ability to make angry speeches and Pakistan having 173M angry people with nukes. Afghanistan is a fart in a hurricane.

[el3so]

some third world shithole perpetually conquered by other superior peoples

I take issue with this statement.

Canadians helped liberate my country twice and paid heavily for it with the blood and taxes of it's citizens. Yet unlike others, they never made jingoistic movies about it, they never claimed they saved the world from evil and they always went home to live in peace after the hostilities were over.

Your analysis of international conflict is flawed, your grasp on the military aspects of economic reality is fickle at best and your mother sucks donkey dicks. Have a nice day.

[RYP]

If you mean America. You are so wrong.

Canadians burned down the white house...badly and now own all of America's real estate. At the same time Canadians like Louis B Mayer, the Warner Bros and Goldwyn, not only created your movie industry but Canada continues to regularly inflict people like Celine Dion, Jim Carrey, Justin Bieber, Alex Trebek, Nickelback, Saturday Night Live, Hee Haw and other abominations to destroy American culture. Then they stole the movie and TV industry, forcing Hollywood to make Vancouver and Toronto look like New York and LA.

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Big and Little Screen

Anderson, Pamela Baywatch
Aykroyd, Dan Saturday Night Live,The Blues Brothers, Ghostbusters
Bluteau, Lothaire Jesus of Montreal,Black Robe
Brown, Blair The Days and Nights of Molly Dodd
Burroughs, JackieThe Grey Fox, Road to Avonlea
Burr, Raymond Perry Mason, Ironside
Candy, John SCTV ,Uncle Buck, Canadian Bacon
Cardinal, TantooBlack Robe, Dances with Wolves, Legends of the Fall
Carrey, JimThe Mask, Ace Ventura: Pet Detective Dumb and Dumber
Chaykin, MauryDances with Wolves, Whale Music
Crewson, Wendy Getting Married in Buffalo Jump, The Doctor
Cronyn, Hume Shadow of a Doubt, Cocoon, Batteries Not Included
Czerny, Henry Boys of St. Vincent, Mission Impossible
Davis, Geriant WynForever Knight, Black Harbour
Doohan, James Star Trek
Dewhurst, Colleen Anne of Green Gables, Murphy Brown, Annie Hall
Elliott, David James Melrose Place, JAG
Foley, David Kids in the Hall, Brain Candy, News Radio
Follows, Megan Hockey Night, Anne of Green Gables, Second Chances, Under the Piano,
Fox, Michael J. Back to the Future, Family Ties, Spin City
George, Chief Dan Little Big Man
Greene, Graham Dances with Wolves, Thunderheart
Greene, Lorne Bonanza, Lorne Greene's Wilderness
Gross, Paul Due South
Hartman, Phil Saturday Night Live, News Radio
Ironside, MichaelScanners, Top Gun Total Recall
Jackson, TomLoyalties, The Diviners, North of 60
Peter JenningsABC Nightly News
Jenkins,Rebecca Bye Bye Blues, BlackHarbour
Levy, EugeneSCTV
Kristin Kreuk Smallville
Little, Rich
Howie Mandel Comedian
Martin, Andrea SCTV, Star Trek: DS9
McCarthy, Sheila I've Heard the Mermaids Singing, Die Hard 2
McCulloch, Bruce Kids in the Hall, Brain Candy, Anne of Green Gables - The Sequel
McDonald, Kevin Kids in the Hall, Brain Candy
McKinney, Mark Kids in the Hall,Brain Candy, Saturday Night Live
Moranis, Rick SCTV, Strange Brew, Ghostbusters, Hockey Night, Little Shop of Horrors
Myers, Mike Saturday Night Live, So I Married An Axe Murderer, Waynes' World, Austin Powers
Nelligan, Kate The Prince of Tides, Fatal Instinct
Nielsen, Leslie Airplane,The Naked Gun, Dracula: Dead and Loving It, Mr. MaGoo
O'Hara, Catherine SCTV, Beetlejuice, Home Alone
Pickford, Mary Little Lord Fauntleroyknown as "America's Sweetheart"
Perry, Matthew Friends
Pinsent, Gordon The Rowdy Man,Who Has Seen the Wind, Due South
Plummer, Christopher The Sound of Music, The Man Who Would Be King, Star Trek VI,
Polley, Sarah Ramona, Lantern Hill, Road to Avonlea , Exotica, The Sweet Hereafter
Priestley, Jason Beverly Hills 90210
Reeves, Keanu Johnny Mnemonic, Speed, Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure, Point Break
Reid, Kate Dallas, Bye Bye Blues, The Andromeda Strain, A Delicate Balance
Russell, Harold The Best Years of Our Lives
Schnarre, Monika The Bold and the Beautiful
Shatner, William Star Trek
Short, Martin SCTV, Saturday Night Live, The Three Amigos, Merlin
Sutherland, Donald M*A*S*H, Klute, Ordinary People, Eye of the Needle, Bethune
Sutherland, Kiefer The Lost Boys, Stand By Me, A Few Good Men
Tilly, Meg The Big Chill, Agnes of God
Thicke , AlanGrowing Pains
Thomas , DaveSCTV, Strange Brew, Grace Under Fire
Thompson, Scott Kids in the Hall, Brain Candy, Garry Shandling
Wincott, Michael Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves, 1492- Conquest of Paradise
Wray, Fay King Kong

BEHIND THE CAMERA
Arcand, Denys The Decline of the American Empire, Jesus of Montreal, Love and Human Remains
Cameron, JamesTrue Lies, Terminator, Aliens, Titanic
Cronenberg, David The Fly, Naked Lunch, Madam Butterfly
Egoyan, Atom Exotica, The Adjuster, The Sweet Hereafter
Jewison, Norman Fiddler on the Roof, Jesus Christ Superstar, Agnes of God
Kotcheff, Ted The Apprenticeship of Duddy Kravitz, Joshua Then and Now
McDonald, Bruce (writer) Roadkill, Highway 61, Dance Me Outside
McFarland, Todd creator of Spawn.
Reitman, Ivan Meatballs, Stripes, Ghostbusters

COMEDIANS
Harron, Don (a.k.a.: Charlie Farquharson), Hee Haw
Michaels, Lorne (producer)Saturday Night Live, Kids In The Hall
Shuster, Frank (half of Wayne and Shuster comedy team)
Smith, Steve The Red Green Show, Smith & Smith Comedy Mill
Wayne, Johnny (half of Wayne and Shuster comedy team)


CANVAS & PRINT
Bateman, Robert
Carmichael, Frank
Carr, Emily
Karsh, Yousuf
Jackson, A.Y.
Thomson, Tom


SPORTS
Bailey,Donovan sprinter - Fastest man on earth 1997
Browning, Kurt World Champion Figure Skater.
Gretzky, Wayne Hockey player
Goodyear, Scott IndyCar racedriver
Hanlan, Ned Champion Rower
Howe, Gordie Hockey player
Johnson, Ben sprinter
Lafleur, Guy Hockey player
Naismith,James inventor of basketball
Orr, Bobby Hockey player
"Rocket" Richard, Maurice Hockey player
Tracy, Paul IndyCar race driver
Villeneuve, Gilles Formula One race driver
Villeneuve, Jacques IndyCar race driver, 1995 Indy 500 winner, first Canadian win the Formula F1 World Driving Champion in 1997, the only Canadian to place higher than his father Gilles Villeneuve in F1


ON PAPER
Atwood, Margaret The Handmaid's Tale, Bodily Harm, The Robber Bride
Berton, Pierre Vimy Klondike, The National Dream, The Last Spike
Carrier, Roch La Guerre, Yes Sir! , The Hockey Sweater
Cohen, Leonard (poet) Suzanne
Coupland, Douglas Generation X
Davies, Robertson Fifth Business, The Cunning Man
Kinsella, W.P. Shoeless Joe
Laurence, Margaret The Diviners, The Stone Angel
Leacock, Stephen Sunshine Sketches of a Little Town
McCrae, John (poet) In Flanders Fields
McLuhan, Marshall "the medium is the message"
Mitchell, W. O . Who Has Seen the Wind, Jake and the Kid
Montgomery, Lucy Maude Anne of Green Gables
Moore, Brian Black Robe
Mowat, Farley Never Cry Wolf, The Boat That Wouldn't Float
Munro, Alice Short-stories incl. Walker Brothers Cowboy
Ondaatje, Michael Coming Through Slaughter, The English Patient
Richler, Mordecai The Apprenticeship of Duddy Kravitz, Joshua Then and Now
Roy, Gabrielle Bonheur d'Occasion, Ces enfants de ma vie
Service, Robert W. (poet)TheShooting of Dan McGrew, Songs of a Sourdough
Tremblay, Michel (playwright)Sainte Carmen of the Main


MUSIC
Adams, Bryan Cuts Like a Knife,Everything I Do, I Do It For You
Anka, Paul Diana, My Way
April Wine You Could Have BeenA Lady, Bad Side Of The Moon
Arden, Jann Could I Be Your Girl, Living Under June
Bachman-Turner Overdrive Let It Ride, You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet
Barenaked Ladies If I Had $1,000,000, Shoebox
Blue Rodeo
Cochrane, Tom Life Is A Highway
Cockburn, Bruce If I Had a Rocket Launcher, If A Tree Falls
Cohen, Leonard Suzanne, I'm Your Man
Cowboy Junkies The Trinity Session
Crash Test Dummies Superman Song, Mmm, Mmm, Mmm, Mmm
Dion, Celine Where Does My Heart Beat Now, My Heart Will Go On
Ferguson, Maynard Gonna Fly Now (theme from Rocky)
Foster, David Calgary Olympics '88 theme
Glass Tiger
Furtado, Nelly I'm like a Bird
Glass Tiger Don't Forget Me When I'm Gone
Gould, Glenn , pianist
The Guess Who American Woman
Hart, Corey Sunglasses at Night, Boy In The Box, Never Surrender
Healey, Jeff Angel Eyes
Hill, Dan Sometimes When We Touch
lang, k.d. Absolute Torch and Twang, Ingenue, Constant Craving
Lanois, Daniel , producer (U2, Bob Dylan)
Lightfoot, Gordon Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald, If You Could Read My Mind
Lombardo, Guy leader of his "Royal Canadians"
Loverboy Turn Me Loose
MacIsaac, Ashley Sleepy Maggie
McKennitt, Loreena The Mask and Mirror
McLachlan, Sarah Possesion, Into The Fire, I Will Remeber You
Mills, Frank Music Box Dancer
Mitchell, Joni Raised on Robbery, Help Me, Free Man in Paris
Morissette, Alanis You OughtaKnow,
Murray , AnneSnowbird, You Needed Me
Our Lady Peace One Man Army
Peterson, Oscar , jazz pianist
The Pursuit of Happiness I'm an Adult Now
The Rankin Family Fare Thee Well Love, We Rise Again
Robertson, Robbie Somewhere Down the Crazy River, Showdown At Big Sky
Rush Spirit of the Radio, Tom Sawyer, Closer to the Heart
Sainte-Marie, Buffy Universal Soldier, Summer Boy
Shaffer, Paul (Late Show with David Letterman)When The Radio Is On
Spirit Of The West Home For A Rest
SteppenwolfBorn to Be Wild
Sum 41 Fatlip
Twain, Shania The Woman In Me
The Tragically Hip New Orleans is Sinking
Voisine, Roch Helene, I'll Always Be There
Neil Young Heart of Gold, Helpless, Harvest Moon


Fleming, Sanford (engineer) inventor of standard time zones
Johnston, Lynn (cartoonist)For Better of For Worse
McLaren, Norman (animator)
Shuster, Joe creator of Superman
Trebek, Alex (host) of Jeopardy

[Mikethehack]

I really wish I knew why we conduct foreign policy so consistently stupidly.

Intelligent foreign policy is an oxymoron.

[grawp]

Friend RYP wrote:

I am sure you have read all about this in Vietnam and other areas where the leader who is feeling his oats meets with an unfortunate accident.

Yah, I seem to recall Ngo Dinh Diem contracting lead poisoning from a terminal case of getting too big for his britches.
Take the money, pull the trigger, keep your mouth shut, or we'll shut it for you. Permanently.
Now THAT's American Foreign Policy in action!