In a DP : The Dark Knight Rises

[vagabond]

Friendly skies: I don't know how you assessed that I deliberately misunderstood you, I think I
Pretty much supported your point with my own above. PS: no metal detectors necessary. ;)

I don't know either. It was very well-reasoned. Tarkan missed it to. Demagogues on a roll I guess.

News is reporting large increase of gun sales in CO for those wanting to protect themselves in the next murder spree. We'll see how poorly that goes.

[nanuq]

Works for me. It's not as if a man would ever force a woman to do something against her will or anything like that.

[Woodsman]

Did MK ULTRA ever actually work? I mean, really? Everything I've ever read suggests that it was the biggest boondoggle in CIA history. Aside from being invoked by conspiracy theorists, the only time we ever hear about it is when former victims sue for damages.

Nope, it turned out to be a bunch of Yalies having LSD parties with top secret cash footing the bill. It did nothing except end when one of them got too much of a dose and killed himself.

Because an intelligence agency never conceals what it does...

Ha ha!

Oh, btw this reminds me of something...a friend of mine was deep sea fishing and caught Osama Bin Laden's body. I'd show you a picture, but they caught and released it.

[LechoZX]

Just for the record, one of the Aurora shooting victims was a Navy veteran who had served three tours of duty. He was also a certified firefighter and an emergency medical technician and have been planning to become a Navy SEAL. Whatever military training he had obviously wasn't enough.

He was a part of Tenth Fleet/US Cyber Command/Navy Information Operations Command, at Buckley AFB. Hardly sounds like front line duty.
Also, he was from the town I moved out of back in February.

I know of which town you refer.

[LechoZX]

I'm not posing this question to prove a point about gun control, but generally curious because I can not think of an instance.

Has there ever been a shooting rampage like this stopped in progress by a citizen CCW?

Obviously weapons have a purpose in self defense, such as home defense or a deterrent in cases of assault or petty crime, but bringing down a mass murderer is a whole other scenario. Not even comparable really.

[Texas Carnie Roadshow]

I'm not posing this question to prove a point about gun control, but generally curious because I can not think of an instance.

Has there ever been a shooting rampage like this stopped in progress by a citizen CCW?

Obviously weapons have a purpose in self defense, such as home defense or a deterrent in cases of assault or petty crime, but bringing down a mass murderer is a whole other scenario. Not even comparable really.

2007, Colorado Springs, shooter was stopped by a church's security guard with a CCW.
Not quite the same, but close.

[svizzerams]

I'm not posing this question to prove a point about gun control, but generally curious because I can not think of an instance.

Has there ever been a shooting rampage like this stopped in progress by a citizen CCW?

Obviously weapons have a purpose in self defense, such as home defense or a deterrent in cases of assault or petty crime, but bringing down a mass murderer is a whole other scenario. Not even comparable really.

2007, Colorado Springs, shooter was stopped by a church's security guard with a CCW.
Not quite the same, but close.

churches require security guards? My how things are a-changing.

[sparrow]

Saw this today in response:

While he may or may not meet the legal test of competency to stand trial the fact is that this person is mentally ill. There is no rational and mentally sound person capable of committing such crimes. That goes for him and all the others like him.
What makes it so frightening is the ease with which he was able to stockpile weaponry.
Anyone who defends this senseless and brutally irresponsible attitude in which Americans have such a right to amass implements of death is probably not entirely sane either.
How many times do we have to see these things happen?
With assault rifles, handguns, oversized magazines and whatever else was in his arsenal it is just devastatingly clear that even insane he couldn't have done this much damage without such easy access to the weapons.
God bless America - they need all the help they can get.

Discuss.

[Texas Carnie Roadshow]

I'm not posing this question to prove a point about gun control, but generally curious because I can not think of an instance.

Has there ever been a shooting rampage like this stopped in progress by a citizen CCW?

Obviously weapons have a purpose in self defense, such as home defense or a deterrent in cases of assault or petty crime, but bringing down a mass murderer is a whole other scenario. Not even comparable really.

2007, Colorado Springs, shooter was stopped by a church's security guard with a CCW.
Not quite the same, but close.

churches require security guards? My how things are a-changing.

"On Sunday, December 9, 2007, at about 1 p.m. Murray, armed with a semi-automatic rifle and two pistols, entered the foyer of the New Life Church in Colorado Springs and fatally shot two and wounded three others before himself being shot and wounded by Jeanne Assam, a former sworn Colorado police officer and a church member acting as security. Murray then took his own life.

That was apparently the shooter's second church related shooting of the day, as he had killed 2 and wounded 2 just after midnight that morning.

So the real question is, "What the Fuck, Colorado?"

[Woodsman]

Saw this today in response:

While he may or may not meet the legal test of competency to stand trial the fact is that this person is mentally ill. There is no rational and mentally sound person capable of committing such crimes. That goes for him and all the others like him.
What makes it so frightening is the ease with which he was able to stockpile weaponry.
Anyone who defends this senseless and brutally irresponsible attitude in which Americans have such a right to amass implements of death is probably not entirely sane either.
How many times do we have to see these things happen?
With assault rifles, handguns, oversized magazines and whatever else was in his arsenal it is just devastatingly clear that even insane he couldn't have done this much damage without such easy access to the weapons.
God bless America - they need all the help they can get.

Discuss.

What a bunch of bullshit! A person could do more damage with a combination of the chemicals under 90% of US sinks., besides that - planning & carrying out the plan with action pretty much shows his capacity to
reason. Insane people do not. I believe he was on drugs. Prescribed drugs - you know, the kind with seemingly unlimited side affects.

[Woodsman]

FTR: http://www.abc4.com/content/about_4/bio ... A.facebook

[sparrow]

Saw this today in response:

While he may or may not meet the legal test of competency to stand trial the fact is that this person is mentally ill. There is no rational and mentally sound person capable of committing such crimes. That goes for him and all the others like him.
What makes it so frightening is the ease with which he was able to stockpile weaponry.
Anyone who defends this senseless and brutally irresponsible attitude in which Americans have such a right to amass implements of death is probably not entirely sane either.
How many times do we have to see these things happen?
With assault rifles, handguns, oversized magazines and whatever else was in his arsenal it is just devastatingly clear that even insane he couldn't have done this much damage without such easy access to the weapons.
God bless America - they need all the help they can get.

Discuss.

What a bunch of bullshit! A person could do more damage with a combination of the chemicals under 90% of US sinks.,
But they don't.

besides that - planning & carrying out the plan with action pretty much shows his capacity to
reason. Insane people do not.

You're mistaken about what people are capable of while delusional. You did notice the guy eating another guy's face recently right? On the other hand, really smart people develop psychiatric problems as well.

I believe he was on drugs. Prescribed drugs - you know, the kind with seemingly unlimited side affects.

I believe he was not on drugs. But should have been. He has a likely late event development of schizophrenia. But we'll see.

He likely should also have been on prescribed drugs should anyone have known what was happening. His mother's call to ABC right after the event may even confirm this. She certainly could confirm a family history.

[Naveen]

besides that - planning & carrying out the plan with action pretty much shows his capacity to
reason. Insane people do not.

Mental illness, assuming you are talking about schizophrenia, doesn't make you unable to plan or reason, although they have important deficits in those areas. Besides, it's not like shooting people requires much planning. If John Nash was able to get a Nobel Prize for his work and being paranoid schizophrenic, I'm sure killing people because you belive you are the Joker (or whatever) is possible. Still, I also think it's a bit scary he could amass all those weapons.

[Woodsman]

This massacre required planning & reports conclude he took Vicodin before the shooting. I'm not saying that is the cause, I'm just saying this guy knew precisely what he was doing.

Note that one of the side effects of Vicodin is mental/mood changes. http://www.drugs.com/sfx/vicodin-side-effects.html

[Fenrisco]

What makes it so frightening is the ease with which he was able to stockpile weaponry.

Christ, it's like one of those dolls, pull the string at the back and out comes the same tired hoplophobic, anti-American response. "Why oh why oh why oh why? Yours, 'Disgusted' of Sodding Chipbury."

But to be fair to the poor dears the average Labor-voting English urbanite has only ever seen a firearm on TV, and it's usually in the hands of a "Yank". That's the full extent of their frame of reference and fertile soil for both irrational fears.