So, Iguess we're just ignoring the whole Russia/Syria thing.

[Q]

Vlad again playing 3D Chess while Obama eating checkers.

Hillary's ground troops getting the shit kicked out of them.

MSM and the Pentagon deliberately lying about Russian air strikes against America's foot soldiers in Syria.

McCain shedding tears that his ass buddies are getting blown to shit.

Assad still Alpha as fuck. Has been fighting off the combined efforts of the US, UK and Israel for what, 3 years now? And all the faggots on K Street said he wouldn't last 6 months.

Not sexy enough for BFC?

[ROB]

Such an angry young man.

[Q]

C'mon....I'm trying to breathe life back into this cunt.

We've got topics about comic books and all sorts of assorted faggery.

Maybe a Penta thread to kick up the dust again?

[AztecDave]

saw the 60 Minutes interview. absolutely disturbing. Obama is clueless at best & delusional at worst (or vice versa). and you could see that Kroft knew it too. only thing more disturbing is that he and his believe as he does. after 7 yrs as president, nothing is still his fault. who is his coalition of nations? where are they? sigh.

[Q]

saw the 60 Minutes interview. absolutely disturbing. Obama is clueless at best & delusional at worst (or vice versa). and you could see that Kroft knew it too. only thing more disturbing is that he and his believe as he does. after 7 yrs as president, nothing is still his fault. who is his coalition of nations? where are they? sigh.

Obama is an Affirmative Action empty suit. He rode into office on a wave of Black racism and dumbass White guilt. So, he gets a pass from both camps, and a militantly defensive media.

No different from the Baby Bush worshipers. Only the left likes to pretend they are "smarter."

You can't apply logic or reason when dealing with them. These people use only emotion.

[Kurt]

Let Russia do our work for us.

We want ISIS gone right? We would rather have Assad than ISIS right? We'd rather not spend money and lives to get that done right?

Here is what would happen if we were in charge:

1. We would do the dumb thing and seek out "moderates" to take over from Assad, whom we would over-throw. But here is the thing, there are no fucking "moderates" in the Levant. Assad is the Moderate. So we would destroy ISIS I and pave the way for ISIS II because we are clumsy oafs in the middle east.

or.

2. We would do the smart thing and support Assad, join the Russians and wipe out ISIS, prop up a strongman, make peace with Iran and have a buffer of relative sensibility to keep the snotty Saudis, Qataris, and Kuwaitis afraid and stabilize the flow of refugees and terrorists into the lands of our real allies, Turkey and Europe..but we would tick off those Israeli crybabies.

So the best real politik option is to "strongly object" but high-five Putin under the table.

[Q]

The Obama water carriers are already trotting out that this was his plan all along, which anyone with even an ounce of sense knows is complete bullshit.

So, the US is doubling down on Option 1, because for some reason even the progressive Left absolutely loves radical theocratic governments in MENA.

I think I may write in Putin/Assad the next time I vote.

[ROB]

What would you do, Q?

[Kurt]

The Obama water carriers are already trotting out that this was his plan all along, which anyone with even an ounce of sense knows is complete bullshit.

So, the US is doubling down on Option 1, because for some reason even the progressive Left absolutely loves radical theocratic governments in MENA.

I think I may write in Putin/Assad the next time I vote.

If it was, he played it pretty good.

Imagine at the start of ISIS if Obama said openly "gonna wait this one out and hope someone else does something besides us"? We all know if that is your plan it is not a dumb idea considering the state of US politics and how we do not admire cunning (The one area where the Russians have us beat, their society admires cunning). I agree with you, This was not the plan, there was no plan. But as far as our plans have gone in the middle east it will be funny to see that a non-plan will work better than a real plan.

As for our CIA "assets" in that area, we know that the CIA has historically picked the most bonkers groups to go up against our "bad guys" in the area and they often turn on us. Again, let Russia do our work for us. If Russia really is bombing genuine freedom fighters then that is all the better, We can use that as leverage later.

Obama may have accidentally sat on a genius with this one. By not having our military in play he actually has much more options to use to our advantage.

[Q]

What would you do, Q?

Obama never should have let ISIS gain territory in Iraq. Look, he got dealt a shit hand, because we never should have been in Iraq in the first place, but that isn't how life works. So, I would have bombed the ever loving shit out of them the first time they reared their head.

He also shouldn't have been the Air Force for ISIS in Libya. Yes, the fall of Libya to radical Islam is directly related to the rise of ISIS. Libya was stable, it wasn't our business.

Obama should have backed Assad, or at the very least not actively opposed him. Clearly, the US isn't able, or willing, to find 5 fucking "rebels" over there who are competent or who don't immediately turn all the kit we give them over to ISIS. Obama had two very good examples of radicals taking over the revolution, both in Egypt and Libya, and either he chose to ignore that, or he's grossly incompetent when it comes to foreign policy.

Barring all that.....this business with Russia is just mind boggling. The lies coming out of the White House, the Pentagon and of all places the US MSM, are unbelievable. No one in the US really gives a shit about what's going on in Syria. Not the majority at least. It has nothing to do with us, period. If Russia wants to man up and back the only player who isn't going to turn Syria into another Islamic hell hole, then there is absolutely no fucking reason for us to be opposing it, in any way, shape or form.

[MJK]

Q, I don't understand why you say that Obama should never have let ISIS gain territory in Iraq; they are a Western creation and follow orders from Washington. 6700 sorties over a year 'against' ISIS by the West and their infrastructure still there for Putin to pound? Wounded ISIS fighters STILL being treated in Haifa? Wondering why Obama let ISIS expand into Iraq is like wondering why Roosevelt let Eisenhower stage D-Day. Isn't ISIS just a jihadist arm of the State Dept?

My understanding is that all of this is ultimately about water; a Greater Israel needs every country nearby to be destabilized and ineffective politically so Tel Aviv can control the water coming out of Lebanon. I wouldn't object to being firmly but courteously schooled to the contrary by someone more informed than myself.

Cue photos of Putin leaving a seedy motel with Michelle Obama while Barry lurks around the corner in the Cheater's van…...

[Q]

MJK...that's the rub.


Of course everything you said is true, but that doesn't sell to the general population.

As Denzel said....there's what you know, and what you can prove.

[Darcy]

Probably old hat to you guys, but interesting.....
http://youtu.be/OQuceU3x2Ww

[friendlyskies]

Ugh. My guess is we're trying to pacify the Saudi Royal Family, who are becoming apoplectic about the Iran deal, the west pissing all over their hard work trying to negotiate nicely with Israel, and basically fucking the right over during this nightmare of low oil prices.

It's a bad move. Q is being gratuitously provocative by blaming liberals, when the average USAmerican has no idea what's going on outside of some faked Planned Parenthood videos and a random Nevada brothel where a sportsball Kardashian OD'd on herbal viagra.... I think we're more ignorant than loyal. But his general point is correct imho. The Saudis are spending millions on both Bush and Clinton's presidential campaigns, I'm sure they've spent tens of millions on Obama... only to have his Shia-named self go play footsy with Iran. They've been betraaaaaayed waaaaaah. And I'm sure they can make us pay for that slight, probably by screwing over Israel even worse than they're already screwed. That's the tangle we civilians can't seem to parse out. Plus, there's Turkey, we've got to make nice with that fucktard Erdogan for all sorts of reasons, which is why we can't just fucking support the Kurds or Assad. Then, there's the whole dick-swinging contest with Putin. Even if it's better for the USA to just let him deal with this mess, we just can't let him have a win.

It's so fucked up.

I sort of wish we'd just detonate 50 years of foreign policy in the Middle East, ally ourselves with the Shias and Kurdistan against all these motherfuckers, and let the chips fall where they may. That's why I'm not in government. But hell, cooler heads have prevailed and they're fucking everything up, too. And there's no way out, not with Bush or Clinton at any rate. This would be a good time for one of those black swans they keep promising us.

[Misanthrope]

Hang on there a second, kids, I need some edumacating....

If I remember correctly, some folks far brighter than I, predicted that the invasion of Iraq and deposing of Saddam would: 1. radicalize the more moderate Sunnis, 2. create a power vacuum which Iran would fill, further destabilizing the entire ass-backward, Neanderthal region.

This was prior to the Invasion of Iraq...

Now, I'm not a fan of Obama, but how can we hang this jacket on him when every prediction from the Mideast experts before the Iraq invasion, which was authored by the Neocons, seems to have come to pass?