Which way do you call the 23rd June UK referendum on the EU?

The Black Flag Cafe is the place travelers come to share stories and advice. Moderated by Robert Young Pelton the author of The World's Most Dangerous Places.

Moderator: coldharvest

Which way do you call the 23rd June UK referendum on the EU?

Poll ended at Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:46 pm

The UK is heading for the exits baby
7
47%
No way, the UK is in to stay
8
53%
 
Total votes : 15

Re: Which way do you call the 23rd June UK referendum on the

Postby friendlyskies » Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:33 pm

DAAAAAAAaaaaaammmmmmmnnnnnnn

On the downside, my savings are basically gutted and my most important client is screwed. On the upside, Cameron is gone! Two months from now, I'm sure the markets will have stabilized, I'll have different clients, and Cameron will still be gone. So #winning?

I feel so bad for the people who were building companies that connected the UK and Europe. They are so royally fucked now. My clients that have offices in the UK, Netherlands, and Germany are either going to have to restructure completely, or throw in the towel. Or just get rid of the Amsterdam and Berlin units. They are devastated. But, I guess they'll be protected from.... well, whatever it was that the threat was. Immigrants? Europeans taking their freedom? Oh well. Hopefully my rates won't suffer until the company goes under.
"4 cylinder Camaro=communism" El Presidente

"You can smoke salmon but it's not quite the same as smoking heroin." nanuq
User avatar
friendlyskies
Vata Loca
 
Posts: 7459
Joined: Sat Aug 26, 2006 5:36 pm
Location: Atlantis

Re: Which way do you call the 23rd June UK referendum on the

Postby nowonmai » Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:55 pm

friendlyskies wrote:DAAAAAAAaaaaaammmmmmmnnnnnnn

On the downside, my savings are basically gutted and my most important client is screwed. On the upside, Cameron is gone! Two months from now, I'm sure the markets will have stabilized, I'll have different clients, and Cameron will still be gone. So #winning?

I feel so bad for the people who were building companies that connected the UK and Europe. They are so royally fucked now. My clients that have offices in the UK, Netherlands, and Germany are either going to have to restructure completely, or throw in the towel. Or just get rid of the Amsterdam and Berlin units. They are devastated. But, I guess they'll be protected from.... well, whatever it was that the threat was. Immigrants? Europeans taking their freedom? Oh well. Hopefully my rates won't suffer until the company goes under.


Do you want a trade agreement? I'll sell you wild ducks in exchange for a Corvette Stingray (the only four wheeled thing I have ever wanted). And you can come and visit our lands, as long as you are accompanied throughout by at least four grazing sheep.
User avatar
nowonmai
BFCus Regularus
 
Posts: 11542
Joined: Tue Feb 08, 2005 8:52 pm

Re: Which way do you call the 23rd June UK referendum on the

Postby MJK » Fri Jun 24, 2016 1:07 pm

As the EU has a fine tradition of ignoring votes, what is the next step in Britain scraping then off its boots?
User avatar
MJK
BFCus Regularus
 
Posts: 1445
Joined: Thu Mar 25, 2004 2:59 am
Location: Fairbanks

Re: Which way do you call the 23rd June UK referendum on the

Postby The Turd Polisher » Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:32 pm

What did the barber say to Germany?
Next!
"Beyond our ideas of wrong-doing and right-doing, there is a field. I'll meet you there."
Rumi, 13th-century Persian poet
User avatar
The Turd Polisher
BFCus Regularus
 
Posts: 360
Joined: Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:05 pm

Re: Which way do you call the 23rd June UK referendum on the

Postby Q » Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:03 pm

Oh look...a bunch of little Obama's eating checkers while the smart people are playing 3D Chess.


This isn't a lock, yet. There's already a social justice cunt movement to stop it, and if the UK is anything like the US, the little faggots will get what they want.

In the meantime, I'm making a fucking fortune on FOREX.
I am the object of criticism around the world. But I think that since I am being discussed, then I am on the right track.

- The Dear Leader
User avatar
Q
Al-Aqua Teen Martyr's Brigade
 
Posts: 7832
Joined: Sat Mar 27, 2004 6:29 am
Location: Piss off

Re: Which way do you call the 23rd June UK referendum on the

Postby Q » Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:05 pm

nowonmai wrote:
friendlyskies wrote:DAAAAAAAaaaaaammmmmmmnnnnnnn

On the downside, my savings are basically gutted and my most important client is screwed. On the upside, Cameron is gone! Two months from now, I'm sure the markets will have stabilized, I'll have different clients, and Cameron will still be gone. So #winning?

I feel so bad for the people who were building companies that connected the UK and Europe. They are so royally fucked now. My clients that have offices in the UK, Netherlands, and Germany are either going to have to restructure completely, or throw in the towel. Or just get rid of the Amsterdam and Berlin units. They are devastated. But, I guess they'll be protected from.... well, whatever it was that the threat was. Immigrants? Europeans taking their freedom? Oh well. Hopefully my rates won't suffer until the company goes under.


Do you want a trade agreement? I'll sell you wild ducks in exchange for a Corvette Stingray (the only four wheeled thing I have ever wanted). And you can come and visit our lands, as long as you are accompanied throughout by at least four grazing sheep.




Only someone from a nation that has produced the absolute shittiest autos on the road would consider getting a Corvette a good thing.
I am the object of criticism around the world. But I think that since I am being discussed, then I am on the right track.

- The Dear Leader
User avatar
Q
Al-Aqua Teen Martyr's Brigade
 
Posts: 7832
Joined: Sat Mar 27, 2004 6:29 am
Location: Piss off

Re: Which way do you call the 23rd June UK referendum on the

Postby Q » Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:07 pm

snaark wrote:
ROB wrote:Difficult to see it staying together now.


We'll see. I'm guessing the Germans will try to make an example of them. But if the Eurosceptics in other countries get s big boost out of this, then the writing is on the wall. Good thing I still have an Australian passport.

In any case the UK is fucked.




Bye, Felecia.
I am the object of criticism around the world. But I think that since I am being discussed, then I am on the right track.

- The Dear Leader
User avatar
Q
Al-Aqua Teen Martyr's Brigade
 
Posts: 7832
Joined: Sat Mar 27, 2004 6:29 am
Location: Piss off

Re: Which way do you call the 23rd June UK referendum on the

Postby seektravelinfo » Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:14 pm

[quote="nowonmai"]
I'll sell you wild ducks in exchange for a Corvette Stingray (the only four wheeled thing I have ever wanted). [/quote]


http://jalopnik.com/heres-the-video-of- ... 1521621298
User avatar
seektravelinfo
BFCus Regularus
 
Posts: 6185
Joined: Fri Mar 26, 2004 5:18 am
Location: clevelandia

Re: Which way do you call the 23rd June UK referendum on the

Postby seektravelinfo » Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:27 pm

Hey you Brits and you europeans,

Donald Trump is doing victory laps all over y'all's island quick as he is to practically take credit for the vote to leave. You want him? Please, take him.

And your Prime Minister just up and quitting, wow. You'd think he had fucked a pig on live TV. (my fave episode of Black Mirror but boy was that dark).

Now we shall see Germany, Spain, Holland, France toot suite get out of the EU? If they're going to like they're saying do it fast, like a surgery. Let the chips fall where they may.

Haven't heard anything from your new mayor of London. What does he say? How did the London vote shake out for this? For or against?

Oh, and another thing, with England OUT they can fast-track Turkey into their long sought for EU membership. do let me know how that works out.
User avatar
seektravelinfo
BFCus Regularus
 
Posts: 6185
Joined: Fri Mar 26, 2004 5:18 am
Location: clevelandia

Re: Which way do you call the 23rd June UK referendum on the

Postby Douchebag » Fri Jun 24, 2016 4:14 pm

This is looking cool!
Scotland leaves the UK next, and war breaks out Northern Ireland again as the buddhists push for an ireland!
Fuck yeah!!!
DickPaw, I am convinced that you'd be the omega male of Mantown, you golden shower taking, meat-gazing dandified bitch-boy.
User avatar
Douchebag
BFCus Regularus
 
Posts: 682
Joined: Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:53 pm
Location: Toolshed

Re: Which way do you call the 23rd June UK referendum on the

Postby seektravelinfo » Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:13 pm

This guy, bemoaning the end of Liberalism, sure takes some swipes at the poor and disenfranchised. He is no better than Margaret Thatcher, who by reports considered referendums to be fascistic.

FRIDAY, JUN 24, 2016 10:30 AM EDT
As a British citizen, I am oscillating between sadness and rage: Brexit is the worst of times

A band of Britons succeeded in selling the myth that leaving the EU means "taking back control"
by TOM HAMILTON

As a British citizen, I am oscillating between sadness and rage: Brexit is the worst of times

The worst of times…..

Brexit was the most significant vote in UK politics in my generation and the long-term effects on stability and security across Europe appear immense and deeply, deeply troubling.

Make no mistake, a band of thugs have won the day. Using a shameless, self-interested tabloid press, a feckless group of hypocritical elites (Boris, Farrage, Gove…) harked back to an imaginary British past of crumpets and glory, and succeeded in selling the myth that leaving the EU means “taking back control.”

Today is a victory for the far right across Europe, for tribalism, divisive politics, irredentism, and an incredible rejection of evidence-based policy. This was not a courageous day. Common sense did not prevail. This will be remembered as a foolish, overzealous, Icarus moment.

I am no political scientist, but looking at the demographic data of how people voted, it was the lower socio-economic groups in England, outside of major cities, who carried Brexit across the line; those with the lowest expectations for prosperity, the fewest qualifications, low-paying jobs and less opportunity for education. While Farrage celebrates this morning a new dawn for ‘real people’, he does not represent the true interests of the average British family. He found a convenient and susceptible constituency, then deployed the right mix of fear and wahey-I-can-balance-pints-on-my-head.

In reality, many Brexiters voted because they were told the EU was the source of all their ills. Many felt disenfranchised from politics, and that their concerns over immigration had been ignored. The UK has major socio-economic inequality and disparity between London and the rest of the country. The Leave campaign announced that all of these issues, including problems with the NHS and other strained public services, a housing crisis, and income inequality, were attributable to the EU. In fact, leaving the EU is likely to make some of these problems worse. Where will public discontent turn when it becomes clear that leaving hasn’t solved everything?

The chanting across Europe that the EU is failing as a political project will now get louder. France, the Netherlands, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Hungary may follow Brexit to some extent, whether by leaving the EU (Nexit is not unimaginable), or at least by demanding that as EU members they receive concessions similar to those that the UK, as a non-member, will probably gain in its trade negotiations. For all the talk of xenophobic Little England, the fact is that the highest rates of eurosceptic sentiment lie in other EU states. The UK held a referendum, but the results could have been worse elsewhere (in France for example, about 60% are against the EU). I hope then, that Brexit will be seen as part of a broader trend of populist nationalism across Europe and the United States, a threat to all those who want greater integration and openness, whether English or otherwise. Globalisation is bringing enormous challenges.

Panic over what happens to existing immigrants in the UK may be unwarranted, the Leave campaign so far focused on new immigration only. I can understand why several friends living in London now feel that ‘English people hated me all along’, but it may not be that simple. I hope it will be remembered that London, effectively a City-State in its own right, voted Remain by an overwhelming 60%. Manchester, Liverpool, Cardiff, Bristol, Warwick and Leeds all voted Remain. The vast majority of people in these cosmopolitan cities want to remain just that — integrated, welcoming, and multicultural.


That this campaign departed so completely from fact-based policies and disregarded the opinions of economists and business leaders or ‘so-called experts’ is mind-boggling. To me, this was taken to a new level compared to general elections, and one of the most concerning aspects of the campaign as a whole was the complete departure from well-reasoned scientific evidence on immigration, economics and social issues, after the providers of the evidence had been discredited as ‘elitist’ or ‘arrogant’. Voices on both sides of the debate gave in too quickly to fear and cheap tactics. To those Brexit voters who were well-informed, yet chose to ignore or discredit the unanimous conclusions of objective political science as ‘biased’, you should have known better. Shame on you.

Northern Ireland should have been one of the headline issues in the EU referendum debate. Security got less priority than economics and immigration. The UK will soon have a sea border with the EU at Calais and a land border with the EU in Ireland. I grew up trying to understand some of the complexities of Northern Ireland, and then, for all its limitations, a settlement brought peace. Few commentators have analysed this security aspect of Brexit closely and that terrifies me. I worry our political memories are becoming very short.

Who knows what follows? Enormous uncertainty. Scotland leaving the UK within the next few years seems extremely likely.

As of this morning, Gove and Boris couldn’t care less about Brexit. Boris’s only interest is now the leadership battle for the Conservative party and furthering his political career (a career made on the back of Brexit, pure and simple). They both played the game of exploiting division in the Conservative party for their own ends. Has Brexit been mainly about the UK’s place in the EU? Or about the Tory party?

And in the short-term? True that this was ‘just’ an advisory referendum, so let’s see what happens next. Nobody on the news this morning seems to have any idea what the next practical steps are, some are saying that Article 50 will not be invoked until after the French and German elections next year. David Cameron has now implied that negotiations with then EU will not start until after the arrival of a new Conservative Prime Minister in October.

All told, a bleak day for liberal democracy.

Personally, I am oscillating between deep sadness and rage, and trying to understand more seriously how and why we got here. So please pity us, my UK friends and me, who unwillingly lost citizenship of Europe today.

Tom Hamilton is a British barrister practicing in international law, and former EU citizen.
User avatar
seektravelinfo
BFCus Regularus
 
Posts: 6185
Joined: Fri Mar 26, 2004 5:18 am
Location: clevelandia

Re: Which way do you call the 23rd June UK referendum on the

Postby friendlyskies » Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:31 pm

nowonmai wrote:
friendlyskies wrote:Do you want a trade agreement? I'll sell you wild ducks in exchange for a Corvette Stingray (the only four wheeled thing I have ever wanted). And you can come and visit our lands, as long as you are accompanied throughout by at least four grazing sheep.


You motherfuckers bashing Stingrays all have tiny penises and poor taste. That's a fine automobile.

Unfortunately, all I have is a slightly dented "classic" Prius that tops out at around 95mph, going downhill, with a tailwind. Also, England is wet, chilly, and apparently shrinking to the size of Lichtenstein over the next two years. Not much to see once you lose Scotland and London; even Cornwall is going full Regrexit. Plus, I made the mistake of looking at my 401(k) and IRAs and I've lost the equivalent of a year at a decent state university for my son. Overnight. I'll need a moment.
"4 cylinder Camaro=communism" El Presidente

"You can smoke salmon but it's not quite the same as smoking heroin." nanuq
User avatar
friendlyskies
Vata Loca
 
Posts: 7459
Joined: Sat Aug 26, 2006 5:36 pm
Location: Atlantis

Re: Which way do you call the 23rd June UK referendum on the

Postby MJK » Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:54 pm

Boo hoo for Tommy the globalist Barrister. Did someone lose their turn at the EU trough? A bad day for any lawyer is a great day for the rest of us. Nigel and Boris are my kind of elitists; they realize that with Britain out they can be big fish in a smaller pond and a smaller pond is the way to go. But I still think that the EU and its fellow tapeworms will find a way to queer the deal and keep Britain under their thumb. Hope I'm wrong.
User avatar
MJK
BFCus Regularus
 
Posts: 1445
Joined: Thu Mar 25, 2004 2:59 am
Location: Fairbanks

Re: Which way do you call the 23rd June UK referendum on the

Postby nowonmai » Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:02 pm

I loved The Donald trampling Cameron's face in the dirt today.

London voted Remain of course, except the boroughs where the last remaining indigenous white people are (eg Romford etc). Again just a fact that even the BBC acknowledges. London has become an international zone which is fine when the sun shines but when the storms come it's going to be need Snake Plisken to get in and out of it. The gentrified internationals will leave at the first whiff of grapeshot (falling stocks).

And yes, the movements of UAF etc will start getting ugly, already seen that with rentamob turning up to chant 'scum scum scum' (UAF, SWP calling cards) at Boris Johnson as he left home this morning.

The left is literally shrieking with anger at this result. For 40 years they've had the ball at their feet and kicked ordinary people all over the park. Finally a voice gathers against them and their rage is Beria like. Nasty bastards.
User avatar
nowonmai
BFCus Regularus
 
Posts: 11542
Joined: Tue Feb 08, 2005 8:52 pm

Re: Which way do you call the 23rd June UK referendum on the

Postby Q » Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:14 pm

friendlyskies wrote:
nowonmai wrote:
friendlyskies wrote:Do you want a trade agreement? I'll sell you wild ducks in exchange for a Corvette Stingray (the only four wheeled thing I have ever wanted). And you can come and visit our lands, as long as you are accompanied throughout by at least four grazing sheep.


You motherfuckers bashing Stingrays all have tiny penises and poor taste. That's a fine automobile.

Unfortunately, all I have is a slightly dented "classic" Prius that tops out at around 95mph, going downhill, with a tailwind. Also, England is wet, chilly, and apparently shrinking to the size of Lichtenstein over the next two years. Not much to see once you lose Scotland and London; even Cornwall is going full Regrexit. Plus, I made the mistake of looking at my 401(k) and IRAs and I've lost the equivalent of a year at a decent state university for my son. Overnight. I'll need a moment.



You'll be fine. Hillary is going to win this election, and after that the US will see nothing but Berniesque leaders until the collapse. So plenty of straight, White male money out there to be stolen for his History of Feminist Art degree.
I am the object of criticism around the world. But I think that since I am being discussed, then I am on the right track.

- The Dear Leader
User avatar
Q
Al-Aqua Teen Martyr's Brigade
 
Posts: 7832
Joined: Sat Mar 27, 2004 6:29 am
Location: Piss off

PreviousNext

Return to Black Flag Cafe

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 47 guests