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Postby denise » Sun Jul 17, 2016 4:49 am

If you could destroy the Catholic Church would you?
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Postby Kurt » Sun Jul 17, 2016 6:09 pm

Nope.

Destroying a 2000 year old institution would have serious repercussions. From our Western culture it would be akin to killing one of your grandparents simply because you thought they were no longer relevant.

Also like sex, humans have the urge for spiritual pursuits to distract them from the reality of death. It is required for survival or else we would , as scientist say, collectively lose our shit. So I want institutionalized distractions, better ones we know than those we do not know.

If I could, I would make the established High Churches stronger. Because in it's absence lots of stupid shit takes its place like "Prosperity Gospel" (if satan exists, I believe Prosperity Gospel was his idea) Psuedo Eastern "Mindfullness" bullshit. Why not choose the kind of religious experience that made the Sistene Chapel, Carravagio or Protestant Baroque music?

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Postby Bronco » Wed Jul 20, 2016 12:16 am

The Church has tried for centuries to provide some sort of guidance and sense of morality. They got out of hand a few times and should have been discarded then but they survived and still provide some sense of meaning for the people who seem to need it. I don't think you could destroy it even if you wanted to.
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Re: Question

Postby nowonmai » Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:00 pm

denise wrote:If you could destroy the Catholic Church would you?


No way, I've got a tenner on the flakey socialist being ousted in a Ratzinger counter coup.
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Re: Question

Postby denise » Sat Jul 23, 2016 3:43 am

The deepest of questions worthy of the divinist of comedy.

I love the length and the width and the breadth of it.

Although I am somewhat shocked by the lack of vitriol.
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Re: Question

Postby Kurt » Sat Jul 23, 2016 4:33 pm

denise wrote:The deepest of questions worthy of the divinist of comedy.

I love the length and the width and the breadth of it.

Although I am somewhat shocked by the lack of vitriol.


religion is fun to joke about. But when a serious question comes about like destroying it, then nope.

However there are some I would like to see destroyed but I want them to be destroyed by the weight of their own contradictions and not via human action.

Prosperity Gospel. That has to die. It thrives in poor areas among poor people world wide and it is a cancer. Fuck them.

Scientology. Just because. No way it survives the internet age but I just hope it is dismantled in my lifetime so I can read a big giant gossipy book on it and gloat.

But thats it.
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Postby Hitoru » Sat Jul 23, 2016 7:10 pm

Mormonism needs to disappear.
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Re: Question

Postby ROB » Tue Jul 26, 2016 12:56 pm

Not many pragmatic people would simply destroy a massive organisation without something to replace it with.

Wholesale change and public executions however... well that's another story.
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Re: Question

Postby friendlyskies » Tue Jul 26, 2016 3:30 pm

ROB wrote:Not many pragmatic people would simply destroy a massive organisation without something to replace it with.


The Catholic Church provides so many services - healthcare, child care, law, counseling, marriages, political mediation, I don't even know what else. If you got rid of it, there would be a lot of vacuums, only a few of them spiritual. Seems like a shortcut toward the much-vaunted Libertarian dystopia. So... no.
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Postby nowonmai » Tue Jul 26, 2016 11:25 pm

Looks like ISIS are starting, one priest at a time.
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Re: Question

Postby Q » Fri Jul 29, 2016 8:24 am

The modern Catholic Church is one of the biggest enemies of the West. Hands down.

They subvert by promoting and funding massive turd world immigration. They supported Communist revolutions in Latin America.

It's hilarious that the rank and file left hates them so much, because they share the exact same goals.


It should be destroyed.
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Re: Question

Postby seektravelinfo » Fri Jul 29, 2016 5:11 pm

[quote="friendlyskies"][quote="ROB"]Not many pragmatic people would simply destroy a massive organisation without something to replace it with.[/quote]

The Catholic Church provides so many services - healthcare, child care, law, counseling, marriages, political mediation, I don't even know what else. If you got rid of it, there would be a lot of vacuums, only a few of them spiritual. Seems like a shortcut toward the much-vaunted Libertarian dystopia. So... no.[/quote]


Health care? Fine, but not so much if you're a woman. Counseling? Makes me think of a coworker of mine who regularly got beaten up by her husband, so she sought the council of her parish priest who advised her to go home and cook her husband a nice dinner so as to mitigate the beatings. Law? Makes me think of the massive payout legally worked out to payoff child rape victims. "The Church" retains at a pretty penny some high-powered lawyers. As for affecting legislation, my blood boils at how far the institution goes to curtail reproductive health care and yes I mean abortion.

Its the sub-sects of Catholicism that are so deadly, the Opus Dei and their ilk, and their reach is far.
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Re: Question

Postby nowonmai » Sat Jul 30, 2016 8:51 am

seektravelinfo wrote:Its the sub-sects of Catholicism that are so deadly, the Opus Dei and their ilk, and their reach is far.


Well they haven't found me yet. I keep waiting for the Opus Dei honey trap, some foxy number with heavy duty webbing underneath her skirt. Sign me up, but I guess my soul is not worth saving.
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Re: Question

Postby Lost Boy » Sun Jul 31, 2016 7:20 am

Kurt wrote:However there are some I would like to see destroyed but I want them to be destroyed by the weight of their own contradictions and not via human action.


I agree with you wholeheartedly on that, and believe me- nobody takes more delight than me in seeing a lie exposed, shamed and ridiculed. But I fear that you overestimate humanity's capacity for reason. Or, as Ulysses Everett McGill said, "it's a fool that looks for logic in the chambers of the human heart."
In my experience, contradictory belief systems often serve to desensitize people to the purifying effect that truth has to wipe out error, to the point that they belief even bigger whoppers. Much like bacteria and antibiotic resistance. I think of Orwell's 1984 and the very contradictory ministry of truth. If you inoculate people with enough outrageous falsehood, they gradually become less and less outraged by bald faced lies, to the point that you can condition them and spoon feed them their opinions. Our current 2 party political system comes to mind.
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Re: Question

Postby seektravelinfo » Sun Jul 31, 2016 4:50 pm

[quote="nowonmai"][quote="seektravelinfo"]Its the sub-sects of Catholicism that are so deadly, the Opus Dei and their ilk, and their reach is far.[/quote]

Well they haven't found me yet. I keep waiting for the Opus Dei honey trap, some foxy number with heavy duty webbing underneath her skirt. Sign me up, but I guess my soul is not worth saving.[/quote]


Opus Dei Honey Trap. Great name for a band.
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