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Re: I think the Vegas shooting

Postby Kurt » Fri Oct 06, 2017 4:51 pm

MJK wrote:..and that alone precludes me discerning the lack of factual cohesion surrounding this incident? Or were you planning to eventually refute something I stated?


So I gotta read Crowdsource (AKA a fancy techno term for Cherry Pick) news and refute it?

Nope. Seen that before about 9/11. (The thing I actually witnessed cuz I was there).

90-ish percent say "the planes hit it and it fell down" and a small percentage say "seemed like a controlled demolition"

The "seemed like a controlled demolition" part is "crowdsourced"

the 90ish percenters are "trolls"

When something happens, do you actively try to find out how it did not happen or do you wait for someone to tell you it didn't?
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Re: I think the Vegas shooting

Postby gnaruki » Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:17 pm

What happens to all of his stuff? Can the victims sue his estate or heirs? Usually people that shoot up places have a net worth near zero or less.
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Re: I think the Vegas shooting

Postby MJK » Fri Oct 06, 2017 8:33 pm

Be careful Kurt; depending on the font, some numbers have sharp edges and points which can pierce or snag as you pull them from your butt like you just did with those 9/11 'stats'. You got some on you that day; got some dust in your hair and lost some folks. That is an emotional connection to the event, not a scholarly or scientific one. At best you were one of thousands of blind people feeing the many parts of something huge in the darkness of a dust cloud.

But we weren't talking about that false flag or whatever it was, we were talking about this one. Try to stay focused. You don't have to go to Crowdsource or anywhere you don't feel comfortable or safe. Just eyeball these points and respond appropriately. Rob is also invited to participate. You too, kinderdigi; time to switch up the subject matter...

In the most heavily camera-ed up place in the US NO video is presented of our shooter lugging a flippin' armory to his room. Or checking in using his girlfriend's ID(!). We've all done that, right? Checked into an upscale hotel in Vegas using someone else's ID? There should be enough CCTV footage to keep us busy watching it for weeks; where the fuck is it?

One witness(Joe Napoli) claimed to hear rounds walking towards him and his wife, placing him hundreds of meters from the shooter. But he also told of stepping over dozens of spent casings. What is the furthest anyone here has ever seen spent brass ejected? 20 feet maybe?

The bogeymen of multiple shooters/accomplices once again rear their heads at this shooting. Authorities are actively looking for accomplices. How does that dovetail into the old, richass, non mil, non gun nut, gambling addict/ISIS recruit/generic lone gunman outline we have been given? People working in groups don't tend to leave suicide notes they leave manifestos. How come the accomplices didn't hang around and light up the DOZENS of extra weapons that got brought, just not fired? If your shit is together enough to put this type of project together you aren't gonna behave as this guy allegedly did. Or his accomplices/handlers...

The crew that put JFK down must be rolling over in their graves at the shit that is getting phoned in these days on behalf of the Deep State. It's like this crew was given a bag of tricks and they just dumped it out the window of the getaway car as they fled.
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Re: I think the Vegas shooting

Postby snaark » Fri Oct 06, 2017 9:01 pm

What puzzles me about the MJKs of the world (for there are many) is that they believe in something that is extremely complex and unlikely rather than something that is rather simple and easy to believe. The simplest scenario is almost always the right one.

Consider possibility #1, an arsehole with a gun fetish plans and carries out mass murder for whatever dumb, hateful reason he has. This requires only one arsehole, which are sadly all too common. And there are many, many historical precedents, which shows you it's very plausible.

Now consider possibility #2, a false flag event carried out by the "deep state" or other shadowy organisation. This requires careful organisation, enormous resources, a network of trustworthy co-conspirators and discretion. This is complex and very implausible. It also has no precedent in the USA or any other democratic state.

Simple logic would tell you the first scenario is more likely, and people who are incapable of simple logic are mentally disabled. Which is to say MJK is a tard.
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Re: I think the Vegas shooting

Postby Kurt » Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:51 pm

snaark wrote:What puzzles me about the MJKs of the world (for there are many) is that they believe in something that is extremely complex and unlikely rather than something that is rather simple and easy to believe. The simplest scenario is almost always the right one.

Consider possibility #1, an arsehole with a gun fetish plans and carries out mass murder for whatever dumb, hateful reason he has. This requires only one arsehole, which are sadly all too common. And there are many, many historical precedents, which shows you it's very plausible.

Now consider possibility #2, a false flag event carried out by the "deep state" or other shadowy organisation. This requires careful organisation, enormous resources, a network of trustworthy co-conspirators and discretion. This is complex and very implausible. It also has no precedent in the USA or any other democratic state.

Simple logic would tell you the first scenario is more likely, and people who are incapable of simple logic are mentally disabled. Which is to say MJK is a tard.


Schizophrenics have delusions in their conclusions they come to without evidence. (The world is run by sewer lizards. How do I know? Isn't it obvious?) "False Flaggers" are deluded in their evidence that is devoid of a conclusion (other than what is not)

Picture Occam's Razor but without a conclusion to attempt to measure the likely events leading to it, but then try to think of the evidence to support it.

So when something happens, like a mass shooting and you deny the conclusion that a mass shooting happened, you are going to be all over the place in searching for what did not happen and the events that lead up to this non-event.
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Re: I think the Vegas shooting

Postby MJK » Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:48 am

Ad hominem character assassination instead of refutation is how the cognitively dissonant pay tribute to the deductive and debating skills that set them off.
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Re: I think the Vegas shooting

Postby ROB » Sat Oct 07, 2017 10:17 am

MJK wrote:Ad hominem character assassination instead of refutation is how the cognitively dissonant pay tribute to the deductive and debating skills that set them off.


Alternatively, it's just a fun way to pass the time while avoiding a quagmire of bullshit.
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Re: I think the Vegas shooting

Postby MJK » Sat Oct 07, 2017 7:40 pm

Understood.
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Re: I think the Vegas shooting

Postby Kurt » Sat Oct 07, 2017 8:14 pm

MJK wrote:Ad hominem character assassination instead of refutation is how the cognitively dissonant pay tribute to the deductive and debating skills that set them off.
It's not ad hominem character assassination, its more akin to amateur theory.
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Re: I think the Vegas shooting

Postby MJK » Sun Oct 08, 2017 12:42 am

Semantics aside, it in no way resembles logical debate/factual refutal, my goal here. It does however exactly mirror the classic symptoms of cog dis. In public, you would be exchanging knowing glances. Here you substitute pithy rejoinders but leave my points hanging there, unchallenged. Let us continue to explore the many ways to obfuscate and otherwise fail to properly respond as knowledge can be gleaned from this also.
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Re: I think the Vegas shooting

Postby ROB » Sun Oct 08, 2017 1:15 am

You have literally never shown yourself open to legitimate debate and evidence based reasoning. Why would we ever fall into the trap of trying to do that with you again?
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Re: I think the Vegas shooting

Postby MJK » Sun Oct 08, 2017 6:21 am

I didn't think that I was any more strident in my opinions than the rest of you. I show up and check the uniform of the day. If it is Asshole on the Forehead then I suit up and give as good as I get. If I am the biggest asshole here, is it wrong to be proud of it?

I mentioned several points that add up to shit not adding up and no one is refuting them; just making references to a psych condition.

If you feel like taking another run at this, I stand by the points I made earlier. If I'm wrong save the sauce and show me my mistake. But let me start by asking a couple of simple, yes or no questions. Feel free to qualify and/or quantify but lay out the y/n:

Do you or do you not wonder about the lack of CCTV footage from the CCTV capitol of the West, Las Vegas?

Do you or do you not wonder why there aren't thousands of cell phone vids flooding the news? If there were 22,000 people there you can assume that there were that many phones.

Have you ever heard a more made up sounding story about why a rich motherfucker got found gunsshotted in an upscale casino room than the one that was trotted out for this event?
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Re: I think the Vegas shooting

Postby snaark » Sun Oct 08, 2017 12:15 pm

MJK wrote:Do you or do you not wonder about the lack of CCTV footage from the CCTV capitol of the West, Las Vegas?


No. I would assume the police would acquire all cctv footage and prevent it being published until the investigation is completed.

MJK wrote:Do you or do you not wonder why there aren't thousands of cell phone vids flooding the news? If there were 22,000 people there you can assume that there were that many phones.


I don't know about you but if someone was shooting at me, I sure as fuck wouldn't be making a video of them on my phone.

MJK wrote:Have you ever heard a more made up sounding story about why a rich motherfucker got found gunsshotted in an upscale casino room than the one that was trotted out for this event?


Yes, the one you're peddling.
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Postby el3so » Sun Oct 08, 2017 7:42 pm

So basically your major concern lies with a lack of online availability of footage that is perceived to exist.
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Re: I think the Vegas shooting

Postby Douchebag » Sun Oct 08, 2017 8:31 pm

MJK wrote:I didn't think that I was any more strident in my opinions than the rest of you. I show up and check the uniform of the day. If it is Asshole on the Forehead then I suit up and give as good as I get. If I am the biggest asshole here, is it wrong to be proud of it?

I mentioned several points that add up to shit not adding up and no one is refuting them; just making references to a psych condition.

If you feel like taking another run at this, I stand by the points I made earlier. If I'm wrong save the sauce and show me my mistake. But let me start by asking a couple of simple, yes or no questions. Feel free to qualify and/or quantify but lay out the y/n:

Do you or do you not wonder about the lack of CCTV footage from the CCTV capitol of the West, Las Vegas?

Do you or do you not wonder why there aren't thousands of cell phone vids flooding the news? If there were 22,000 people there you can assume that there were that many phones.

Have you ever heard a more made up sounding story about why a rich motherfucker got found gunsshotted in an upscale casino room than the one that was trotted out for this event?


MKJ is good and right man. Too many libtards here afraid of truth. This was CIA and IRS making America prisoner! Beware!
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