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Venezuela situation

Postby Devlin » Tue May 05, 2020 7:00 pm

Anyone have any thoughts on those two ex special ed forces guys that got grabbed in Venezuela ?

https://news.yahoo.com/venezuela-detain ... 09473.html
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Re: Venezuela situation

Postby MJK » Wed May 06, 2020 6:23 am

Just two guys? Sounds like a bad remake of The Man Who Would Be King. I bet the food in Venezuelan prisons leaves a lot to be desired right now.
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Re: Venezuela situation

Postby el3so » Wed May 06, 2020 5:02 pm

2 out of 300 or so. Not sure if it's a false flag thing, sheer incompetence or (it being Venezuela) a little bit of both.
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Re: Venezuela situation

Postby RYP » Thu May 07, 2020 3:00 am

Times are hard. Kid's don't overthrow foreign governments.
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Re: Venezuela situation

Postby Kurt » Thu May 07, 2020 1:17 pm

My guess is that it was a money grab.

Get a few useless people to take the fall while collecting money as an "investment" in a new administration, but the point was to never succeed, the point was to make a Potemkin Village, but with people, so others could see something was being planned.

My guess is someone state-side and out of harm's way raked in the cash and did not violate US law either since the Government is not recognized in the US.

That company involved, I forget the name because I cannot be bothered to look it up yet...wanted to "embed" armed men as "teachers" to prevent school shootings.

I am guessing that did not go over as a business plan, but it was probably more to do with getting someone in the Trump admin's attention so some of that money could come flowing in.

Having researched Right Wingers fund raising while working for a Left Winger ("mainstream" left) organization I can give a quick run-down of money grabs on both sides of the spectrum:

1. Right Wing Money Grab: MLM style with feeders and affiliates moving money to the top.

2. Left Wing Money Grab: Form a non-profit to do "good", use feel-good money to fund wealthy families who are able to have a "retirement job" for older execs and a starting job for their children and grandchildren with lots of perks and little work. They employ recent college grads (the children of nobodies) to call other nobodies to get money to fund the somebodies.

This coup was an "invest in the Government in Exile for crazy-assed profits later" type of scam and we can look forward to a "Feed Venezuela" type charity to be the lefty money grab next.
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not Chavez

Postby el3so » Fri May 08, 2020 10:42 pm

Kurt wrote: 2. Left Wing Money Grab: Form a non-profit to do "good", use feel-good money to fund wealthy families who are able to have a "retirement job" for older execs and a starting job for their children and grandchildren with lots of perks and little work. They employ recent college grads (the children of nobodies) to call other nobodies to get money to fund the somebodies.
I liked it better when it was "seizing the means of production".

Reads to me like a grifter and some saps getting played by the Venezuelan regime. Sucks for them.
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Re: Venezuela situation

Postby snaark » Sat May 09, 2020 3:23 pm

Looks like it was a total clown show. "Bay of Piglets" indeed.
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Re: Venezuela situation

Postby Devlin » Thu May 14, 2020 2:52 am

snaark wrote:Looks like it was a total clown show. "Bay of Piglets" indeed.


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Re: Venezuela situation

Postby soulohio » Sat May 16, 2020 9:32 pm

bully ¡! this thread...
reminds me of the time i walked into the mans b-room at an OAS meeting in the DC oh about 2002
Liberator Simon Bolivar Room
good food but the parties later were crak a lakin
so Chavez comes up next to me whilst i endeavoured to persevere
a steady stream
and he says to me no shite
"so what did you do for Sosialismo today, comrade?"
and I looked at him
and with a smirk said
i paid the cab fare for three south american beauties that blessed me with their companionship last night
without breaking his gaze as he shook his manly member oof
he said "they have nothing to lose
but their chains"
... gawd i miss that guy
where are you going? why don't you walk the wheel with us? what is the matter my american friend? what has upset you?
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Re: Venezuela situation

Postby babihutan » Sat Jun 06, 2020 4:23 pm

I knew a well educated Panamanian guy who absolutely worshiped Chavez for years until he finally met him when he was in Venezuela for a while and had a change in heart.
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Re: Venezuela situation

Postby Kurt » Sat Jun 06, 2020 8:26 pm

babihutan wrote:I knew a well educated Panamanian guy who absolutely worshiped Chavez for years until he finally met him when he was in Venezuela for a while and had a change in heart.


What changed his mind?
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Re: Venezuela situation

Postby babihutan » Sat Jun 06, 2020 11:05 pm

Kurt wrote:
babihutan wrote:I knew a well educated Panamanian guy who absolutely worshiped Chavez for years until he finally met him when he was in Venezuela for a while and had a change in heart.


What changed his mind?


This was eons ago around 2005 I believe, and I guess the romantic idea he had of Chavez and Venezuela was quickly crushed when he saw what a shithole the country was and actually thought of Chavez as a complete idiot. Don’t remember exact details, but similar to tons of Cuba worshipers who have this edenesque view of Cuba, and when they finally get to stand on Cuban soil and see the food stamp lineups, they wish they were back at Walmart on Black Friday.

I’ve also been intrigued by Cuba for certain things: excellent education, free health care (and pretty good at that), extremely low crime rate, high community spirit and social cohesion, but man.....I was walking drunk down a remote country road at 3am and could hear police talking on their walky talkies from back in the jungle several meters from the road....in the middle of facking nowhere!! Big brother really is always watching there. FREEEEEDOOOOOMMM!
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Re: Venezuela situation

Postby Kurt » Sun Jun 07, 2020 12:13 am

That makes sense.

When he was elected a lot of Central and South Americans were overjoyed simply because they were tired of the right wing despots that they had endured for years.

Back when that one Kennedy was working with Venezuela to provide free heating fuel to poor Americans I kind of figured Chavez was off his nut. Gas was 10 cents a gallon and subsidized in his own country and free heating fuel when prices were high had to cost a fortune. And apparently that pissed off locals quite a bit since it was apparent he was doing it for propaganda purposes. (Norway's policy is to sell crude at the highest possible price everywhere and their people have benifited from it, even at $7 per gallon at home).

Then I read he was one of those "I never need to sleep" guys who spent his time working and thinking about how to work, Those guys, whether well meaning or not, are always dangerous.

Imagine if Trump never slept or golfed and actually read things? We'd be MAGA Land on one side of the US and a pile of skulls on the other side.
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Re: Venezuela situation

Postby babihutan » Sun Jun 07, 2020 2:00 pm

Sometimes, ya just gotta stick with the basics we took away from grade 9 history: absolute power corrupts absolutely.

We have found no truly ideal system yet in humanity where everyone benefits, and maybe we’re not supposed to. I would fear moving forward though with high tech and increasing population, I feel it’s inevitable for big government to take population enslavement and enforcement of all rules, from environmental to social conduct to a new level. Hope I’m wrong though.
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Re: Venezuela situation

Postby Lost Boy » Fri Jun 12, 2020 7:39 pm

Jordan Goudreau taught us all an important lesson to be had from this train wreck. If you're planning on toppling a crackpot socialist dictator, it's probably not a good idea to tweet about the when/where/how/who details beforehand. The operational security could have been a little bit better. I guess even green beret millennials are still millennials.
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