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Re: A Warning to Rioters and Antifa Members Threatening to C

Postby Kurt » Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:44 pm

ReptilianKittenEater wrote:One alternate history I've wondered about is if the British had won the battle of New Orleans and ended up squatting in the south for a few years.


The South would have been better under the Brits...maybe. We gotta remember that the Brits loved the Cotton from the slave states for their mills. They could feel good about themselves for abolishing slavery in the Empire while still enjoying it fruits, so they might not have been too fond of liberation either.
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Re: A Warning to Rioters and Antifa Members Threatening to C

Postby seektravelinfo » Sun Jun 21, 2020 9:42 am

But Queen Victoria was anti-slavery. I think. I dunno. Ask Penta. I’m kidding.
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Postby sparrow » Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:18 pm

^Hahaha
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Re: A Warning to Rioters and Antifa Members Threatening to C

Postby Tarkan » Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:15 am

Forgive me in advance, it's been a while since I posted, and even longer since I posted a screed. I'm out of practice.

Kurt wrote:Of course. Just as most car owners don't jack up their cars and do burn outs at 11 pm or most motorcyclists do not form lawless gangs and take over a city just so they can speed, drive on the sidewalks and do wheelies most gun owners do not have gun fetishes and suggest that a gun is pretty much the solution to every problem.

As an American I would never say "hey, you gun fetishist! Because you use your gun as a protective totem and flash it about and suggest you look forward to killing people with it, I want to ban guns now" and in fact, most people do not. Just as no one wants to ban cars because some of them are loud or ban motorcyles because some of their riders are twats.

But it seems perfectly natural to label anti fascists and protesters as "Antifa" (assuming antifa is bad in itself) and suggest that they all die.


If we cut a line through the middle of the polity in the US (the actual middle, not where the left assumes the middle is), near the center you have the "moderate" left composed of those people who genuflect at the altar of soccer mom liberalism, who have a naive view of race relations, think they believe in the 2nd Amendment but believe in "common sense" regulations of firearms, but they generally believe in America, consider themselves Americans, and accept the outcome of elections, even if it results in someone they don't like being elected.

From there you get to the Democratic party apparatchiks, who don't really believe in anything other than accumulating wealth and power for themselves and counting wins and losses. These people (Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden in his more lucid moments) will sometimes speak in the watered down but coded language of Marxism, and they will of course stoke the mob for personal and political gain, but it's just a game for them.

But there's a fairly large (and ascendant) cohort within the Democratic Party leadership itself that didn't just come of age in the 60s, try on some radicalism during their college years to get laid, and sell out to get rich later on. The Keith Ellisons, the Barack Obamas, the Bernie Sanders, the John Brennans, the Eric Holders never gave up their radicalism. They were overt Marxists from early on - many (like Obama) were essentially red diaper babies - and trained as Marxist organizers in the Alinsky school in their early years and carried that training forward. Many of them moderated their language as they moved up the ladder - and filled their organizations with radicals underneath them.

Additionally, the umbrella organizations have continued to evolve and gain effectiveness (and sponsorship) over the years. Retreads like ANSWER have evolved into BLM, Federal funds were moved into ACORN and from there disbursed to other radical groups. Foundations like the Ford Foundation and the Soros charity umbrella further seed money for radicalization.

And at the soldier level, you have Antifa. The brown shirts for the Democratic party. Nakedly Marxist, flying the hammer and sickle flag at their marches, assaulting and intimidating journalists they don't like (like Andy Ngo), attacking conservative speakers at university campuses, physically assaulting the attendees at free speech rallies by the right in Boston, Berkeley, Portland, Seattle, forming splinter militia groups like the John Brown Gun Club and the Redneck Rebellion. And of course, spray painting the Leninist slogan along the way "Liberals get the bullet too".

And then we come to people like Kurt, who give cover to Antifa. I mean, fascists are bad, right? How can Anti-fascist be anything but good, you know, good people?

And if you listen at a surface level, Antifa doesn't sound bad. They are pro-self defense, pro-community, they simply hate Nazis and fascists.

Nazis and fascists you say? There's the rub. Because they define anyone to the right of them as a Nazi and a fascist. Don't believe in gay marriage? You're a fascist. Don't believe in unchecked immigration? Yep, that makes you a fascist. Don't support reparations for black people? Yep, you got it, you're a fascist.

And self-defense? Well, the thing is, self-defense isn't violence, but words are violence. You know, so when that midget Jew Nazi Ben Shapiro tries to give a speech about conservatism, those words are violence. And Antifa attacking the speech, the speechgoers, and Shapiro, that's just self-defense against their violence.

It's doublespeak right out of 1984.

My personal belief here is that Antifa are scum, and they deserve some Catalina helicopter tour rides. My person belief is they are agitating or being goaded into agitating for war. The left thinks they will win this war, because no one on the right is really pushing back.

They are the worst of humanity, of the same ilk as the Jacobins and the Reds during the Soviet revolution or the SS prison guards, and will have no problems liquidating "normies" who don't believe the right thing, or even their fellow revolutionaries who are no longer revolutionary enough. That is the slim silver lining in this is that the left, always, ends up eating their own sooner or later. They can't help themselves.

And then we have - what was in late Roman times - the Bagudae. The lawless criminal underclass kept barely in check with (nominal) policing, bread, and circuses. The barbarians within the gates. People like not unlike Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, or even George Floyd (who died with enough fentanyl and meth in his system to kill a racehorse). People like the black men that killed another black man - Calvin L. Horton - who was shot and killed outside his pawn shop in Minneapolis by people stealing TVs. That doesn't mean I don't think Floyd's death was murder - I do - but it's interesting that cities are burning over a felon who once threatened to shoot a pregnant black women in the stomach in a home invasion robbery, when there are plenty of more egregious cases of blacks (and whites and others) getting killed by police where moral outrage was more than a little justified.

The Bagudae, of coures, are the people that are going to nominally benefit from "defunding the police". Since there will be nothing but the law of the jungle reigning in their worst excesses. Of course, the law of the jungle is merciless, and the Bagudae end up being victims of it as much as they are the victimizers. Take a look at the homicide rate in Baltimore after the Ferguson related (Michael Brown) riots. Michael Brown was killed in 2014. That year there were 211 homicides in Baltimore. After the riots, the police adopted "smile and wave" policing. in 2015, there were 344 homicides in Baltimore, and ever year since, there's been at least 300 homicides. One city in America, and an additional 100-150 murders year due to more limited policing (not even defunding the police). And it's mostly black men being murdered.

On the other hand, each year, police kill around 200 black men. The vast majority of those are justifiable homicides - not just in the splitting hairs qualified immunity legal sense, but in the "suspect's vehicle was stopped because it matched the description of a vehicle used in a robbery, suspect exited the vehicle with a firearm and began shooting at officers" sense.

In many black urban areas (like in East St. Louis), the death by homicide rate exceeds the violent death rate in active war zones. It's was actually safer in Iraq in 2007 at the height of the surge, with air strikes, tanks, artillery, and insurgents, than being a black male in Detroit or St. Louis.

So yeah, de-policing will save a handful of black deaths at the hands of police, and result in the deaths of thousands of blacks at the hands of other blacks, but...apparently, as a society, we don't give a shit.

I think a lot of people saw what happened in Minneapolis - and were horrified. The police arresting a pawn shop owner who shot a looter. After which his shop was looted and then torched. Police abandoning commercial and residential areas to rioters, letting the rioters run amok, but arresting anyone that looked to defend their lives or their property. And it's been repeated in Portland, Seattle, and elsewhere. BLM leaders bragging to local businesses that the police are on their side and won't come, so you better pay them money. The Seattle government literally letting BLM and Antifa set up a "Autonomous Zone" with no police (where it took all of 2 hours for a warlord to set up operations), but with Antifa militia rolling heavy with ARs and AKs, race based stop-and-frisk policies being set up, and the community "police" beating the shit out of people (and in a couple of cases, shooting them dead - dead black men again), but somehow I don't think they had body cameras, a use of force policy, or a civilian oversight board to review the shootings. But hey, it's ok. And when the adult supervision - aka the city administration - moved to clean it up, they pussied out at the first sign of pushback by the CHAZ/CHOP crew. I mean, it makes sense to a point, since that is the Mayor's constituents, in a nutshell, in Portland, in Seattle, in Democratic fiefdom after Democratic fiefdom.

So a lot of people are looking on this, and realizing - the police aren't here to protect you from the criminals. They are there to protect the criminals from you. They aren't going to protect business from the looters, they are going to protect looters from the business owners. And even as the city council members are voting to defund the police, they are voting themselves funding for personal protection details.

And so when Antifa or BLM threatens to come to our neighborhoods, burn our houses, drag us out of our houses, a lot of us are sitting back and thinking it's not going to go down like you think it will. It's not a gun boner, it's a slow boiling rage over what the left has done and continues to do to this country.
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Re: A Warning to Rioters and Antifa Members Threatening to C

Postby Tarkan » Sun Jun 28, 2020 3:30 am

Kurt wrote:But lord, throw a milkshake at a shitty journalist who once provided kill lists to Atomwaffen and suddenly it is ok for US citizens to call for the mass slaughter of other US citizens.


It's bullshit like this that makes me shake my head and conclude either you a deluded dumbass, or intentionally trafficking in misinformation. Those "milkshakes" were filled with quikcrete. And they didn't "throw" a milkshake at Andy Ngo, they hit him several times in the head and punched and kicked him, resulting in, among other injuries, a brain hemorrhage and a traumatic brain injury.

seektravelinfo wrote:“Antifa” isn’t even a thing. There is no organization. It’s a concept.


Also more bullshit. Rose City Antifa absolutely is an organization that recruits and vets members. There are similar affiliates throughout the United States. The fact that they follow traditional Marxist guerrilla cell structures doesn't make them less of an organization, it just gives the fig leaf of deniability to people like Seek to delude and tell themselves that they are on the right side of truth of justice instead of being on the same side that liquidated over 100 million people in the 20th Century alone for the "greater good" of socialism, that, it it's best cases resulted in tyranny and immiserization for most of the population (except the party leadership, of course, all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others). John Brown Gun Club - also an organization, as well as Redneck Rebellion, that are functional Antifa affiliates training their members in "community self defense".

These assholes have a uniform, communications, coordinate activities at "protests", pre-positioned weapons, attorneys on retainer in case they get arrested, aid stations in case they get injured in clashes with police or counter protestors.

But...but..but..they aren't an organization.

Oh for fucks sake, grow the fuck up and quit lying to everyone here and lying to yourself.

You AREN'T THE GOOD GUYS. You're fucking tyrants. Or worse, you are providing cover for tyrants. Which makes you an idiot.
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Re: A Warning to Rioters and Antifa Members Threatening to C

Postby Tarkan » Sun Jun 28, 2020 3:34 am

snaark wrote:Antifa! Antifa! Good lord save us from Antifa!

Meanwhile, fucking dipshits with assault weapons and Hawaiian shirts are actually killing cops:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/16/us/steven-carrillo-air-force-boogaloo.html


Counter point:

https://youtu.be/e-gTgcBEgzk

Speaking of things that aren't a thing, the Boogaloo isn't a thing. It's a fucking joke and a meme series of shitposts originating out of the Virgina RKBA rallies.

It's funny that we have the media blowing up the Boogaloo into an overthrow the government conspiracy and a font of potential violence while ignoring the actual violence and anarchy being perpetrated by the BLM and Antifa.
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Re: A Warning to Rioters and Antifa Members Threatening to C

Postby Kurt » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:03 pm

Nope. Not quickcrete. That was just something a dumbass said that other dumbasses believe.

A whiney bitchy bitch man got hit with an actual milkshake.

I am antifa, as in anti-fascist. Not "oh no a school bus that was converted into a camper driven by a *GASP* Mixed Race Couple has come into town so we better terrorize them cuz Soros paid them to steal our shit.

No one is actually that kind of Antifa.

Antifa is simply against Pro-Fa like the Proud Boys and multiple Neo-Nazi groups and cops who strangle people or shoot them while they are asleep.
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Re: A Warning to Rioters and Antifa Members Threatening to C

Postby Tarkan » Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:28 am

Kurt wrote:Nope. Not quickcrete. That was just something a dumbass said that other dumbasses believe.

A whiney bitchy bitch man got hit with an actual milkshake.

I am antifa, as in anti-fascist. Not "oh no a school bus that was converted into a camper driven by a *GASP* Mixed Race Couple has come into town so we better terrorize them cuz Soros paid them to steal our shit.

No one is actually that kind of Antifa.

Antifa is simply against Pro-Fa like the Proud Boys and multiple Neo-Nazi groups and cops who strangle people or shoot them while they are asleep.


Ok, I'll play.

Question, what does the black and red flags of Antifa symbolize?

Answer: the black flag is for anarchy, the red flag is for communism. The philosophical underpinnings of the "Antifascist" movement.

And like good little communists everywhere, they (and you) are well versed in doublespeak.

What is a fascist? The normal person thinks Il Duce, or Hitler. Maybe Franco. Those were fascists, right?

But Antifa? Ah, well, anyone that supports the free market system and the current US political system is a fascist. Anyone that supports restrictions on immigration is a fascist. Anyone that opposes transgenderism being taught as anything over than a mental deviancy is a fascist. That's why Antifa likes to chant things like "No borders, no wall, no USA at all" at rallies. They aren't fighting the good fight against bad people, they (and apparently, you) are literally communist revolutionary thugs hell bent on overthrowing the system with a lineage that goes straight to groups like the WU and the Black Panthers. Draw a line smack dab down the middle of the political spectrum in America, and then take two giant steps to the left, turn to your right, and you still haven't covered all of the people that Antifa considers to be "fascists".

A whiney bitchy bitch man got hit with an actual milkshake.


A whiney bitch man, that apparently had a brain bleed from an "actual milkshake". A whiney bitch man that got attacked by multiple, brave Antifa from behind while he was not being aggressive at all. And either there was quikcrete in that milkshake, as claimed, or whoever threw it needs to sign up for major league baseball.
I get it, you don't like Andy Ngo, because he's telling the truth about your comrades - something you are loathe to do.

That's why, contrary to the picture you would like to portray, your little heroes aren't just disrupting Unite the Right rallies in Charlottesville, Virginia, but are attacking milquetoast conservative speakers at campuses, Trump supporters at campaign rallies, and attacking people from behind with bike locks while they are simply talking to people. Those fucking brave, heroic anti-fascists can't seem to tolerate anyone speaking an opinion that disagrees with the opinion they have. The whole point - which I'm sure you're aware of - is to scare the middle of the road folks into submission or keep them on the sidelines, lest they get some more of that good old brown shirt street justice. But you'll also note that they pretty much confine themselves to polities where the city officials and the media will shield them from legal repercussions and in turn, go after people who fight fire with fire. Which is why Eric Clanton got probation for splitting a dude's head open with a bike lock in an unprovoked attack, and New York put 2 Proud Boys in prison for 5+years with felony convictions for a mutual combat situation where no one sustained serious injury (to their credit, the Antifa involved refused to testify against the Proud Boys).
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Postby el3so » Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:33 am

Kurt wrote:Antifa is simply against Pro-Fa like the Proud Boys and multiple Neo-Nazi groups and cops who strangle people or shoot them while they are asleep.
Nah man, you don't understand...
This isn't about a snuff video going viral, creating momentum for legit concerns about the perceived lack of police accountability and systemically strained racial relations, this is about the cucks scheming to have the blacks, the dykes and the commies take over.
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Postby Tarkan » Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:58 am

el3so wrote:
Kurt wrote:Antifa is simply against Pro-Fa like the Proud Boys and multiple Neo-Nazi groups and cops who strangle people or shoot them while they are asleep.
Nah man, you don't understand...
This isn't about a snuff video going viral, creating momentum for legit concerns about the perceived lack of police accountability and systemically strained racial relations, this is about the cucks scheming to have the blacks, the dykes and the commies take over.


Funny, I too have legit concerns about lack of police accountability, yet I haven't felt compelled to go topple monuments, burn down liquor stores and pawn shops, and assault random white people over those concerns.

I mean, it's funny how that "momentum for legit concerns" - when Antifa and BLM are involved - turns into justification for rioting, looting, arson, and murder.
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Postby el3so » Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:21 am

Tarkan wrote: justification for rioting, looting, arson, and murder.

You had mass demonstrations in pretty much every one of the states, of course there 'll be assholes taking advantage and looting. Not funny, but I haven't heard anyone justifying that or the violence, probably because it directs attention away from the grievances of the non-violent, non-looting majority of those demonstrating. Kinda like how most decent policemen probably want to distance themselves from the asshole caught on camera choking that black man to death.

FWIW I think the BLM org is a scam and what you call Antifa are at best fringe elements misjudging the political climate in the USA. The Democratic party just seems out of touch. Worrisome maybe but not quite the same as a powerful cabal scheming to end the patriarchy or half your population suddenly professing love for the socialist doctrine.
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Postby Kurt » Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:35 pm

Red was supposed to symbolize worker's labor unions.

I've seen a few red and black flags but most "Antifa" are just that, anti-fascist people who protest fascist things.

I do not go into esoteric symbolism. At one point the OK sign meant OK. Then 4chan said, as a joke, it meant "White Power". Then people adopted it as a joke meaning "White Power" to pwn the libs who wet themselves thinking the "OK" sign meant "White Power". Then White Power dudes pickked it up to actually mean "White Power" and now it ironically means but does not mean white power. Red and white syndicalist flag does not mean "Commies" these days anymore than someone who is filled with swastika tattoos is about Hindu and Jainist symbolism of Life, Love and the power of the sun.

What do they stand for? Ask them.

And Andy Ngo is full of shit. An alleged journalist who to turn over "Antifa" names to Atomwaffen. If he had a brain-bleed, he had it before he was hit with a milkshake.
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Postby Tarkan » Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:52 pm

Kurt wrote:Red was supposed to symbolize worker's labor unions.

I've seen a few red and black flags but most "Antifa" are just that, anti-fascist people who protest fascist things.

I do not go into esoteric symbolism. At one point the OK sign meant OK. Then 4chan said, as a joke, it meant "White Power". Then people adopted it as a joke meaning "White Power" to pwn the libs who wet themselves thinking the "OK" sign meant "White Power". Then White Power dudes pickked it up to actually mean "White Power" and now it ironically means but does not mean white power. Red and white syndicalist flag does not mean "Commies" these days anymore than someone who is filled with swastika tattoos is about Hindu and Jainist symbolism of Life, Love and the power of the sun.

What do they stand for? Ask them.

And Andy Ngo is full of shit. An alleged journalist who to turn over "Antifa" names to Atomwaffen. If he had a brain-bleed, he had it before he was hit with a milkshake.


Most of the shit the left has gotten in a tizzy over with respect to white supremacy are 4chan jokes. The problem is, the left today reads like onion articles about the left 10 years ago.

You guys are eating your own over TERFs. UK is putting people in jail for posting quotes from the Koran for Islamaphobia. "It's ok to be white" sent the left into a tizzy - it's definitely not ok to be white! Now people are having to apologize and kneel in supplication for the crime of white privilege. They just put a guillotine in front of Bezo's DC house. Apparently the woke crowd isn't a big fan of woke capital. I'd call you the left crazy, but it would be an insult to crazy people.
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Postby Kurt » Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:14 pm

Oh no! A Guillotine in front of Bezo's house. A bet it is a real one that can actually chop off heads too.

My gosh this symbolism that people are doing in public is a sign of mental illness.

What is a sign of just being stupid is arming yourself to the hilt thinking Antifa is coming and then assuming you drove them off...Soros and his Antifa bus!

I actually had someone say to me "Orange Man Bad, I get it"

And I said "What?"

"Orange Man Bad, I get it, you libs that is all you have to say"

And I said "What, I never said "Orange Man Bad" " and I said "What are you talking about, when did I say that?"

"just now, when you said you supported Trump's removal of subsidizing mail from China and then said but he chickened out and didn't do it"

"So, "Orange Man" is Trump and I said "Orange Man Bad" because I criticized him for reneging on a promise"

"yes"

You realize he actually IS orange, right?"

"What?"

"I mean, we have gotten to the point where someone can mock a person for mocking an orange colored president and use his obvious orange color as attempt to point out the fallacy. Why is "Orange" this normal?

"What?"

"Why do you admire a man who wears orange makeup who does not know what Finland is, what the fuck is wrong with you?"

and so on until he threatened to beat me up at Cortland St. and then ran off the train. This was before I went into isolation for almost 90 days.
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Postby Tarkan » Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:39 pm

Kurt wrote:What is a sign of just being stupid is arming yourself to the hilt thinking Antifa is coming and then assuming you drove them off...Soros and his Antifa bus!


Funny thing is, when there is a street battle and the Antifa goons are run off by conservative goons, you guys go "fascists! look at them!
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