US Economy 30% Down (Annualised)

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Re: US Economy 30% Down (Annualised)

Postby ROB » Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:24 pm

UBI has been tried in a couple of places (I think Finland was one) and it's never been a roaring success.


The clue that it hasn’t is in the name... Universal.

I always wondered how they thought a “test” would be valid when it was within the wider system where it was not implemented. I mean, I suppose you can test the human behaviour part, but you can’t test the more controversial parts like inflation and necessary taxes and effects on demand etc etc. Which are kind of the contentious points.
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Re: US Economy 30% Down (Annualised)

Postby ROB » Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:26 pm

snaark wrote:The problem I have with all these things is that the don't actually address the causes of inequality. They're just a sop to the far left.


My understanding is that there was plenty of evidence that the main cause of poverty is literally lack of cash (not trying to be funny with that).

There are plenty of non-druggie, non-crazy, non-criminal people who just had a string of bad luck and need a hand back to being productive members of society?
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Re: US Economy 30% Down (Annualised)

Postby denise » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:51 am

ROB wrote:To not take the rest of us down with you.

No worries.
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Postby denise » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:05 am

[quote="el3so"]As long as you people pay your non-socialized medical bills, you can do whatever you want.[/quo

The medical industrial complex....

So what would you like me to tell you about that.
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Re: US Economy 30% Down (Annualised)

Postby Alphabet » Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:36 pm

ROB wrote:
snaark wrote:The problem I have with all these things is that the don't actually address the causes of inequality. They're just a sop to the far left.


My understanding is that there was plenty of evidence that the main cause of poverty is literally lack of cash (not trying to be funny with that).

There are plenty of non-druggie, non-crazy, non-criminal people who just had a string of bad luck and need a hand back to being productive members of society?


Are there some people who just got completely fucked by life in the U.S., absolutely. Is it the norm? No.


Not to be sarcastic, but there are a fucking shit ton of "poor" in the U.S. with widescreen plasma televisions, $200 Nike trainers, the newest smartphone, $3k worth of rims on a $500 car with a $2k system in it. You see them every Black Friday beating the shit out of each other at WalMart for the latest crap.

But....Oi, you're charging me $500 for a doc visit? Fucking anarchy.
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Re: US Economy 30% Down (Annualised)

Postby ROB » Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:20 am

Alphabet wrote:
ROB wrote:
snaark wrote:The problem I have with all these things is that the don't actually address the causes of inequality. They're just a sop to the far left.


My understanding is that there was plenty of evidence that the main cause of poverty is literally lack of cash (not trying to be funny with that).

There are plenty of non-druggie, non-crazy, non-criminal people who just had a string of bad luck and need a hand back to being productive members of society?


Are there some people who just got completely fucked by life in the U.S., absolutely. Is it the norm? No.


Not to be sarcastic, but there are a fucking shit ton of "poor" in the U.S. with widescreen plasma televisions, $200 Nike trainers, the newest smartphone, $3k worth of rims on a $500 car with a $2k system in it. You see them every Black Friday beating the shit out of each other at WalMart for the latest crap.

But....Oi, you're charging me $500 for a doc visit? Fucking anarchy.


Bullshit.

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t12.htm
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Re: US Economy 30% Down (Annualised)

Postby snaark » Sun Nov 01, 2020 6:58 am

1 1/2 pages of civil discussion. That must be some sort of record. Then Q offered his $0.02.
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Re: US Economy 30% Down (Annualised)

Postby Alphabet » Sun Nov 01, 2020 7:11 pm

Looks like the Tom Joad(s) have entered chat.

I can hear the RATM soundtrack in the background. Expected.
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Postby Kurt » Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:24 pm

el3so wrote:As long as you people pay your non-socialized medical bills, you can do whatever you want.


Here we get medical bills for shit we did not even have done.

The insurance company Afflack. They pay "Bills not covered by insurance"

They rake in cash. Why?

Most bills "not covered by insurance" that are not "co-pay" (like if I get medication that costs $200 my co-pay may be anywhere between $5 to $40 depending on the plan I have) are bogus. Just attempts to get some more money.

What they do:

You have surgery.

Insurance covers it all except for a $100 co-pay.

The hospital sends the insurance company bills for surgery, anesthetic, hospital bed etc. etc. And the insurance company pays.

3 months later they send the insurance company a bill for anesthesia and the insurance company says "we paid this already and anesthesia alone without surgery is not covered"

So you get a bill for like $3000.00 and they say "this is not covered by insurance"

They then sell this "debt" to a collection agency for like $100.00 and the agency tries to collect.

That is what we put up with as normal in the US.

Afflack takes a monthly premium to refute the bill. They rarely have to pay out a claim because the claims are bullshit. So they rake in cash and their customers basically pay a premium to not be harrassed by medical bill collectors.
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Re: US Economy 30% Down (Annualised)

Postby denise » Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:40 am

insurance is the devil for sure. beware strangers who are only there to help.
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Re: US Economy 30% Down (Annualised)

Postby denise » Thu Nov 05, 2020 4:19 am

giving with one hand taking from the other - mostly the other.

the former charity the latter commerce almost bearable if not for the relentless paperwork involved.

at one time I was a person now just another collection of specialist body parts.
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Re: US Economy 30% Down (Annualised)

Postby Alphabet » Fri Nov 06, 2020 7:11 pm

ROB wrote:
snaark wrote:The problem I have with all these things is that the don't actually address the causes of inequality. They're just a sop to the far left.


My understanding is that there was plenty of evidence that the main cause of poverty is literally lack of cash (not trying to be funny with that).

There are plenty of non-druggie, non-crazy, non-criminal people who just had a string of bad luck and need a hand back to being productive members of society?




I think you and Kanye totally got this. Just replace every White male doctor with a clapping AA nurse who can barely speak English, and all problems will be solved. That's what the movies tell us, anyway.

Obese, cornrows/dreads. I can't wait to see the pics of medical orders:


Shit. Nigga. Pooping. K. Some kind drug. Cracker. Need break. Union rule. Lunch. Check out muh TikToc dance moves.





"Works" a full 8 hours, and then mammy drives off in her shitty C class Benz to get knocked up by Tyrone, bitch about White male racism, blah blah blah.
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Re: US Economy 30% Down (Annualised)

Postby ROB » Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:58 am

Yeah.. um. Ok.
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Re: US Economy 30% Down (Annualised)

Postby Dabbi » Sat Nov 07, 2020 6:44 am

I like how the casual racism is intermixed with nonsense.
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Re: US Economy 30% Down (Annualised)

Postby ROB » Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:27 am

Dabbi wrote:I like how the casual racism is intermixed with nonsense.


Actually, we take our racism formally around here.
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