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Re: Andrew Cuck----I mean Cuomo has totally figured COVID ou

Postby Alphabet » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:24 pm

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Not nearly as good as Nigeria and Haiti though. Those shitholes got their shit together.




Have been to both, on multiple occasions. Extremely stringent standards to get in, oddly enough. Unless you are here to tell us that America can have a border policy with no redress, and a bunch of guys in techicals mowing down whomever they want is now acceptable.....


It's almost if there was a plan. Whitey has to bend over backwards to go to a shithole, but Whiteys home? Door is open boyos.
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Postby ROB » Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:28 am

Alphabet wrote:but Whiteys home? Door is open boyos.


Why wouldn’t a Libertarian want open borders?

Unless they’re just an embarrassed Republican.
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Postby Alphabet » Thu Nov 26, 2020 8:15 am

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Alphabet wrote:but Whiteys home? Door is open boyos.


Why wouldn’t a Libertarian want open borders?

Unless they’re just an embarrassed Republican.



I don't think you know what the Libertarian "open borders" plan entails exactly.

Give ya a little hint, lots of brown folk come into the country and think it's a free ride? LOL...Think again.
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Postby ROB » Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:39 am

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Alphabet wrote:but Whiteys home? Door is open boyos.


Why wouldn’t a Libertarian want open borders?

Unless they’re just an embarrassed Republican.



I don't think you know what the Libertarian "open borders" plan entails exactly.

Give ya a little hint, lots of brown folk come into the country and think it's a free ride? LOL...Think again.


Actual libertarians think markets should determine the movement of labour.

Embarrassed Repubs like youself want it shut down cos " brown people."
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Postby Alphabet » Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:16 am

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ROB wrote:
Alphabet wrote:but Whiteys home? Door is open boyos.


Why wouldn’t a Libertarian want open borders?

Unless they’re just an embarrassed Republican.



I don't think you know what the Libertarian "open borders" plan entails exactly.

Give ya a little hint, lots of brown folk come into the country and think it's a free ride? LOL...Think again.


Actual libertarians think markets should determine the movement of labour.


Agree. But that means Sha'nequa Demarcas Washington Jefferson Mercedes doesn't get a free ride, or special points, because she got dem nails and dreads. And no one gives a shit because she has 8 kids with 5 different dads.

You man enough to accept that?


I don't think you're up to speed on hiring in the West right now.


HR black chick: What are your qualifications?

White potential employee, if he even gets that far because the racist black female at HR scrubs White men: Well, ma'am, Attended Yale. MBA. Top of my class. Got shot as an infantryman in Iraq/Afghanistan.

Black potential employee: Sheeeit bitch.I graduated junior college, nigga. Seen muh sound cloud? Bitch. Mumble rap. Comb muh nappy hair. Merica be raciss and sheeeeiiit. Gimmie muh points, nigga. BLM.

Guess who gets hired due to quotas?
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Postby ROB » Sat Nov 28, 2020 8:23 am

If a HR department gets better candidates by being woke, then THAT IS ALSO an example of free markets.

Jesus, your whole adherence to your proclaimed ideology is about as strong as rotten spaghetti.
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Postby Tarkan » Sat Nov 28, 2020 10:31 am

ROB wrote:If a HR department gets better candidates by being woke, then THAT IS ALSO an example of free markets.

Jesus, your whole adherence to your proclaimed ideology is about as strong as rotten spaghetti.


HR department doesn't get better candidates by being woke.

Take a look at Boeing and Intel.

They've made a huge commitment to diversity over the last 10 years.

And look at AMD over the last 5 years...from $2.87 a share to $87 a share today. INTC, from $34 a share to...$47 a share today over the same time span. And in terms of innovation, Intel is getting crushed everywhere it matters. But they are leading in diversity hires in leadership and engineers. Yay.
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Postby ROB » Sat Nov 28, 2020 12:08 pm

Tarkan wrote:HR department doesn't get better candidates by being woke.


Another great thing about free markets is that if you think you can do better than a CEO, you are free to try to take their job or vote against them as shareholders or not buy shares in their company or any other myriad of ways to have nothing to do with a company.

Nice to know you guys have all the loyalty to your self-proclaimed libertarianism of an alley cat on heat.
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Postby Tarkan » Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:02 pm

ROB, don’t get me wrong - if Intel and Boeing want to shoot themselves in the foot - be my guest (aside from the fact that Boeing is heavily propped up by the US govt). The problem comes from when these woke companies use their lobbying power to influence woke legislation on the smaller competition. Huge woke companies have more inertia and mass and can absorb more incompetent employees (for a while) than small, nimble companies do so saddling them with legislation and regulation that mandates X% of leadership goes to BIPOC LBGTXOMFGBBQ people is a subtle way of these large corporations of burdening their competition with dead weight. Notice that most successful Silicon Valley startups - even the hard core left wing ones - do not practice what they preach when it comes to hiring minorities or women? Why is that?
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Postby Kurt » Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:36 pm

Tarkan wrote:ROB, don’t get me wrong - if Intel and Boeing want to shoot themselves in the foot - be my guest (aside from the fact that Boeing is heavily propped up by the US govt). The problem comes from when these woke companies use their lobbying power to influence woke legislation on the smaller competition. Huge woke companies have more inertia and mass and can absorb more incompetent employees (for a while) than small, nimble companies do so saddling them with legislation and regulation that mandates X% of leadership goes to BIPOC LBGTXOMFGBBQ people is a subtle way of these large corporations of burdening their competition with dead weight. Notice that most successful Silicon Valley startups - even the hard core left wing ones - do not practice what they preach when it comes to hiring minorities or women? Why is that?


Having worked with some of these companies I can answer this:

They are run by assholes.

And they are not "Nimble" either. There is a shit-ton of "Brogrammer" dead weight that sucks money and drives away talent.

I have two friends who worked for Uber twice. One guy was then a 30 something white, male programmer and the other guy was an Indian American MIS specialist who was over 50.
The white guy got hired because a friend of a friend recommended him.
The Indian guy got hired after 4 interviews spamming over 2 months. This was the first time they got hired during the Kalanick years.
The white guy ended up carrying all the other white guys hired as developers because they were all hired by "friend of friends" too, but unlike him they could not code for shit.
My Indian friend managed departments, not people but had to cede authority to whichever Tech bro was in charge at the time..so he quit.
My other friend quit because he was working for like 4 or 5 people.
After he quit then news was released that Kalanick was a dick, and that Uber was all date rape-y, drunk and useless but really those were exaggerations on what was happening there. The reality was that venture capital was being used to fund auto loans and $250k per year salaries for useless people, so the useful people bailed and nothing could get done anymore but their hyper "hire white dudes to party with" business model was not working so they had to get rid of their stupid founder.

So they did...but not for the real reason but for a reason that existed but they could get away with.

Anyway, when they got rehired after the dick-purge they each did two interviews and useless dude-bros were not able to veto managerial decisions or be carried by actual talent.

As far as AMD vs. Intel. AMD went into GPU production and their product got slurped up by Crypto Miners. With their CPUs they always played the long game against Intel and that was better performance at a lower price.
AMD also divested their Dresden Fab to form GlobalFoundries consortium where AMD's debt from all business went to it's silicon manufacturing arm. So they crossed out all debt and now own 25% of the worlds largest chip fabrication plant.

But nope, it must be lack of diversity hires and lots and lots of white guys that make AMD successful. Not a steady plan combined with clever deals. Nope.

Shit like this is why Trumpers are generally failures at managing things. They can only see one facet of a complex system and it is always the most useless facet.
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Re: Andrew Cuck----I mean Cuomo has totally figured COVID ou

Postby Tarkan » Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:05 pm

Kurt wrote:
Tarkan wrote:ROB, don’t get me wrong - if Intel and Boeing want to shoot themselves in the foot - be my guest (aside from the fact that Boeing is heavily propped up by the US govt). The problem comes from when these woke companies use their lobbying power to influence woke legislation on the smaller competition. Huge woke companies have more inertia and mass and can absorb more incompetent employees (for a while) than small, nimble companies do so saddling them with legislation and regulation that mandates X% of leadership goes to BIPOC LBGTXOMFGBBQ people is a subtle way of these large corporations of burdening their competition with dead weight. Notice that most successful Silicon Valley startups - even the hard core left wing ones - do not practice what they preach when it comes to hiring minorities or women? Why is that?


Having worked with some of these companies I can answer this:

They are run by assholes.

And they are not "Nimble" either. There is a shit-ton of "Brogrammer" dead weight that sucks money and drives away talent.

I have two friends who worked for Uber twice. One guy was then a 30 something white, male programmer and the other guy was an Indian American MIS specialist who was over 50.
The white guy got hired because a friend of a friend recommended him.
The Indian guy got hired after 4 interviews spamming over 2 months. This was the first time they got hired during the Kalanick years.
The white guy ended up carrying all the other white guys hired as developers because they were all hired by "friend of friends" too, but unlike him they could not code for shit.
My Indian friend managed departments, not people but had to cede authority to whichever Tech bro was in charge at the time..so he quit.
My other friend quit because he was working for like 4 or 5 people.
After he quit then news was released that Kalanick was a dick, and that Uber was all date rape-y, drunk and useless but really those were exaggerations on what was happening there. The reality was that venture capital was being used to fund auto loans and $250k per year salaries for useless people, so the useful people bailed and nothing could get done anymore but their hyper "hire white dudes to party with" business model was not working so they had to get rid of their stupid founder.

So they did...but not for the real reason but for a reason that existed but they could get away with.

Anyway, when they got rehired after the dick-purge they each did two interviews and useless dude-bros were not able to veto managerial decisions or be carried by actual talent.

As far as AMD vs. Intel. AMD went into GPU production and their product got slurped up by Crypto Miners. With their CPUs they always played the long game against Intel and that was better performance at a lower price.
AMD also divested their Dresden Fab to form GlobalFoundries consortium where AMD's debt from all business went to it's silicon manufacturing arm. So they crossed out all debt and now own 25% of the worlds largest chip fabrication plant.

But nope, it must be lack of diversity hires and lots and lots of white guys that make AMD successful. Not a steady plan combined with clever deals. Nope.

Shit like this is why Trumpers are generally failures at managing things. They can only see one facet of a complex system and it is always the most useless facet.


Nah, I work in tech Kurt. I've managed teams of up to 100 people over the past 5 years and have generally been constantly trying to hire talent. Unfortunately, our internal HR staffing has historically been atrocious. For example, I asked my staffing consultant for some "DNI" resumes given that my team was overwhelmingly male (and Indian/white). My staffing consultant was a woman. I explicitly told her I wanted women candidates. Not all women candidates, but at least some. 19 out of the 20 resumes she forwarded were Indian males. One was a black female who wasn't really qualified by her resume, but I told the staffing consultant to bring her in anyway. Never heard back from her (my staffing consultant, not the candidate), so I resorted to internal network (friend of a friend). 3 of the more solid people on my 20 person US team are black. 2 are top notch future leaders of the company, and one black female that used to be on my team is also a future leader of the company. My current boss is black. There are good women and good blacks in tech, BUT EVERYONE WANTS THEM.

Assume women and men are equally intelligent and have the same aptitude for computer science and the distribution is a normal distribution. Men make up ~85% of the computer science graduates in the United States. Functionally, that there are as many men that are 2-standard deviations above average than women that are simply above average. And you know what happens to women who are better than average at coding (same thing happens to blacks as well): if they aren't EQ morons, they get fast tracked into leadership. They don't get to be coders/engineers for very long. Because as good as it looks for the company to have black and women engineers, it looks even better to have black and women leaders. And the really, really good engineers - the ones that literally build the technology that some companies are built on, tend to be overwhelmingly (but not exclusively) male. There's even been women VC & founders bemoaning this fact - they would like to hire women, but in the initial start up phase either can't afford the talent hit, or - can't afford the women.

Re: brogrammers, I've seen more bad Indian programmers than brogrammers. Then again, I haven't been working with a lot of IIT grads, so maybe your experience is different.
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Re: Andrew Cuck----I mean Cuomo has totally figured COVID ou

Postby Tarkan » Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:07 pm

Tarkan wrote:
Kurt wrote:
Tarkan wrote:ROB, don’t get me wrong - if Intel and Boeing want to shoot themselves in the foot - be my guest (aside from the fact that Boeing is heavily propped up by the US govt). The problem comes from when these woke companies use their lobbying power to influence woke legislation on the smaller competition. Huge woke companies have more inertia and mass and can absorb more incompetent employees (for a while) than small, nimble companies do so saddling them with legislation and regulation that mandates X% of leadership goes to BIPOC LBGTXOMFGBBQ people is a subtle way of these large corporations of burdening their competition with dead weight. Notice that most successful Silicon Valley startups - even the hard core left wing ones - do not practice what they preach when it comes to hiring minorities or women? Why is that?


Having worked with some of these companies I can answer this:

They are run by assholes.

And they are not "Nimble" either. There is a shit-ton of "Brogrammer" dead weight that sucks money and drives away talent.

I have two friends who worked for Uber twice. One guy was then a 30 something white, male programmer and the other guy was an Indian American MIS specialist who was over 50.
The white guy got hired because a friend of a friend recommended him.
The Indian guy got hired after 4 interviews spamming over 2 months. This was the first time they got hired during the Kalanick years.
The white guy ended up carrying all the other white guys hired as developers because they were all hired by "friend of friends" too, but unlike him they could not code for shit.
My Indian friend managed departments, not people but had to cede authority to whichever Tech bro was in charge at the time..so he quit.
My other friend quit because he was working for like 4 or 5 people.
After he quit then news was released that Kalanick was a dick, and that Uber was all date rape-y, drunk and useless but really those were exaggerations on what was happening there. The reality was that venture capital was being used to fund auto loans and $250k per year salaries for useless people, so the useful people bailed and nothing could get done anymore but their hyper "hire white dudes to party with" business model was not working so they had to get rid of their stupid founder.

So they did...but not for the real reason but for a reason that existed but they could get away with.

Anyway, when they got rehired after the dick-purge they each did two interviews and useless dude-bros were not able to veto managerial decisions or be carried by actual talent.

As far as AMD vs. Intel. AMD went into GPU production and their product got slurped up by Crypto Miners. With their CPUs they always played the long game against Intel and that was better performance at a lower price.
AMD also divested their Dresden Fab to form GlobalFoundries consortium where AMD's debt from all business went to it's silicon manufacturing arm. So they crossed out all debt and now own 25% of the worlds largest chip fabrication plant.

But nope, it must be lack of diversity hires and lots and lots of white guys that make AMD successful. Not a steady plan combined with clever deals. Nope.

Shit like this is why Trumpers are generally failures at managing things. They can only see one facet of a complex system and it is always the most useless facet.


Nah, I work in tech Kurt. I've managed teams of up to 100 people over the past 5 years and have generally been constantly trying to hire talent. Unfortunately, our internal HR staffing has historically been atrocious. For example, I asked my staffing consultant for some "DNI" resumes given that my team was overwhelmingly male (and Indian/white). My staffing consultant was a woman. I explicitly told her I wanted women candidates. Not all women candidates, but at least some. 19 out of the 20 resumes she forwarded were Indian males. One was a black female who wasn't really qualified by her resume, but I told the staffing consultant to bring her in anyway. Never heard back from her (my staffing consultant, not the candidate), so I resorted to internal network (friend of a friend). 3 of the more solid people on my 20 person US team are black. 2 are top notch future leaders of the company, and one black female that used to be on my team is also a future leader of the company. My current boss is black. Diversity that kills isn't a skin color diversity, it's the kind that comes with pink hair and gender fluid identities and regressive black lists.

There are good women and good blacks in tech, BUT EVERYONE WANTS THEM.

Assume women and men are equally intelligent and have the same aptitude for computer science and the distribution is a normal distribution. Men make up ~85% of the computer science graduates in the United States. Functionally, that there are as many men that are 2-standard deviations above average than women that are simply above average. And you know what happens to women who are better than average at coding (same thing happens to blacks as well): if they aren't EQ morons, they get fast tracked into leadership. They don't get to be coders/engineers for very long. Because as good as it looks for the company to have black and women engineers, it looks even better to have black and women leaders. And the really, really good engineers - the ones that literally build the technology that some companies are built on, tend to be overwhelmingly (but not exclusively) male. There's even been women VC & founders bemoaning this fact - they would like to hire women, but in the initial start up phase either can't afford the talent hit, or - can't afford the women.

Re: brogrammers, I've seen more bad Indian programmers than brogrammers. Then again, I haven't been working with a lot of IIT grads, so maybe your experience is different.
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Postby Kurt » Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:25 pm

I have seen so many fake Indian programmers as well. They ride off the coattails of their countrymen who have graduated from IIT. Somewhere I have a resume I kept from an Indian guy from India who said he was born in 1985 but gave me a resume with a work history that started in 1983.

The point is that people tend to hire people like themselves. No matter what. Even if they do not think that is what they are doing they do it. I could probably fool some people because since I am from the midwest, I have family in Norway and my wife is Nigerian and I now have Igbo family members I might hire a Hmong from a podunk place in Wisconsin, hire a female Nigerian M.A grad and then hire a guy from Norway who married an American and then everyone would like "oh wow, the diversity" when really I just hired the type of people who I was familiar with and with whom I could sympathize.

But, no friggen way AMD success was by not having as extensive minority hiring program as Intel. AMD's rise is well documented and I just included a few of those reasons.

Hiring favoritism is always a problem, whether it be "white guys only" or a more diverse favoritism like I would be guilty of, but the single issue focus of "Not enough white guys = Failure" to "allowed to hire white = Success" is looking at things through blinders that are just as bad as someone who would be like "Minorities first, success second"
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Re: Andrew Cuck----I mean Cuomo has totally figured COVID ou

Postby Tarkan » Sat Nov 28, 2020 9:15 pm

Kurt wrote:I have seen so many fake Indian programmers as well. They ride off the coattails of their countrymen who have graduated from IIT. Somewhere I have a resume I kept from an Indian guy from India who said he was born in 1985 but gave me a resume with a work history that started in 1983.

The point is that people tend to hire people like themselves.


That's simply because one your network reaches a certain size, it's easier and more reliable to hire from your network. The problem for both candidate and hiring team is information asymmetry. Candidates are putting (notionally) their best foot forward, and you usually have to discount somewhat their experience, work ethic, skills (because it's impossible to *really* vet someone in 3 hours worth of interviews to the level of information you'll have on someone you worked with and around for 3+ years). Hell, I even had the misfortune of hiring a degenerate alcoholic / drug abuser who was able to pull his shit together long enough to do well in interviews, but wasn't able to keep it together long enough to be a decent employee. But because he was over 60, and substance abuse is a disability, not a fucking lifestyle choice, I couldn't can his ass for coming to work intoxicated or dialing into meetings all fucked up. Was about 9 months into the "process" to fire his ass when he up and quit saving me the last month it would have taken. My second to last leadership team under me was a de-racinated Indian from Philadelphia, a Pakistani Muslim, and a white guy. The Indian and the Pakistani both got promoted and left my team, and I ended up with 3 white guys (one of them was re-orged into my team, side deal between my boss and his old boss, the other was "next man up").

None of my hires have been *for diversity*, however. I'll *interview* people for diversity reasons, but the folks I've hired were good (or not, sometimes) independent of their skin color, culture, religion, or national origin.

The biggest cultural bias I have is communication skills. If you have shitty communication skills, I'll hire someone that, on paper, may be less technically adept. Working for a big corporation, I need good communication skills more than I need rocket scientists.
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Postby ROB » Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:46 am

Tarkan wrote:The problem comes from when these woke companies use their lobbying power to influence woke legislation on the smaller competition.


So you’re against lobbyists?

Where were you when Iraq was basically being raped by Blackwater?

Oh that’s right, you were cheering.
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