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Bravo, Liz Cheney

Postby sparrow » Tue May 04, 2021 11:19 pm

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/04/opinions ... index.html

Once upon a time -- and not so long ago -- political leaders who spoke truthfully and forcefully earned respect and praise, and they were often rewarded by voters for doing so.

Imagine such a thing
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Re: Bravo, Liz Cheney

Postby Chimborazo » Wed May 05, 2021 1:23 am

The GOP today makes Dubya and his administration look sane, honest, and competent.
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Re: Bravo, Liz Cheney

Postby seektravelinfo » Thu May 06, 2021 3:06 pm

Maybe she is playing the long game and gunning for the 2024 presidential ticket. I appreciate that she is taking the GOP to task. These days they only like mouthy women like Marjorie Taylor-Greene and Liz’ presumed replacement Elise Stefanik, as these are women they can control, and Liz’ replacement WILL be a woman,because, optics.

Can’t forget though how utterly hateful she was in the Obama years, calling that administration’s Dept. of Justice the Dept. of Jihad, for one thing. That was a shitty and shifty dog-whistle.

So NOW she wants to be decent? Now she is getting a taste of her own medicine. If there is such a thing, Karma is a bitch.

Don’t be so quick to paint her with honor. She’s been in lockstep with GOP platforms and behaviors until very recently, and she’s to be applauded for stating the obvious about the “stolen election” and the January 6 insurrection? Too little too late. She’s still a fascist.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad she’s saying it, and it’s alarming to see how viciously her colleagues are out to destroy her, but the days of the Republican Party are long gone. She’ll never have power, they’ll see to that. GOP is toast. They’re currently warring against the American people, orchestrated by Trump and Steve Bannon. It’s a new era for the Republicans. Buh-bye, Liz. You’ll have to take your water-board dreams in another direction.
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Re: Bravo, Liz Cheney

Postby shivers » Fri May 07, 2021 10:02 pm

She, her father, and what's left of their trusted colleagues are skilled politicians, not to be underestimated. I can't help but wonder what they're planning. Whatever it is, they won't save the party.
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Re: Bravo, Liz Cheney

Postby shivers » Fri May 07, 2021 10:12 pm

I liked this analysis of what they're up against:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... ges/618132

The elite leaders of this supposedly classless society were corrupt plutocrats, a mafia dressed in Marxism. The party was infested by careerists, and its grip on power was defended by propagandists who used rote phrases such as “real socialism” and “Western imperialism” so often that almost anyone could write an editorial in Pravda or Red Star merely by playing a kind of Soviet version of Mad Libs. News was tightly controlled. Soviet radio, television, and newspaper figures plowed on through stories that were utterly detached from reality, regularly extolling the successes of Soviet agriculture even as the country was forced to buy food from the capitalists (including the hated Americans).

Members of the Communist Party who questioned anything, or expressed any sign of unorthodoxy, could be denounced by name, or more likely, simply fired. They would not be executed—this was not Stalinism, after all—but some were left to rot in obscurity in some make-work exile job, eventually retiring as a forgotten “Comrade Pensioner.” The deal was clear: Pump the party’s nonsense and enjoy the good life, or squawk and be sent to manage a library in Kazakhstan.

This should all sound familiar.

The Republican Party has, for years, ignored the ideas and principles it once espoused, to the point where the 2020 GOP convention simply dispensed with the fiction of a platform and instead declared the party to be whatever Comrade—excuse me, President—Donald Trump said it was.
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Re: Bravo, Liz Cheney

Postby seektravelinfo » Sat May 08, 2021 2:54 pm

[quote="shivers"] She, her father, and what's left of their trusted colleagues are skilled politicians, not to be underestimated. I can't help but wonder what they're planning. Whatever it is, they won't save the party. [/quote]

Their skills lie in how strategic they are in unabashedly and aggressively taking power, ethics be damned.

Lee Atwater built the template, Karl Rove and Newt Gingrich hit the ground running with it and opened the door for the likes of Steve Bannon, Manafort and Roger Stone to finish the job.

Now the only thing left for them to do is make it extremely difficult to vote, and they’re on it.
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Postby el3so » Sat May 08, 2021 3:30 pm

Dunno, think puppet-master Rove butted heads with that first "maverick" candidate Sarah Palin.

Not up to speed with USA party politics but I find it odd that an organisation fostering the likes of Rumsfeld and the Bush dynasty just rolled over for a reality tv grifter. Guess that's how democracy works.
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Re: Bravo, Liz Cheney

Postby Tarkan » Mon May 17, 2021 8:20 pm

seektravelinfo wrote:
shivers wrote:She, her father, and what's left of their trusted colleagues are skilled politicians, not to be underestimated. I can't help but wonder what they're planning. Whatever it is, they won't save the party.


Their skills lie in how strategic they are in unabashedly and aggressively taking power, ethics be damned.


As compared to someone like Joe Biden, who somehow managed to pull crowds of less than 10 to his rallies, but managed to get more votes than Obama ever did. That wasn't an unabashed and aggressive power grab. Nope, not at all.
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Re: Bravo, Liz Cheney

Postby ROB » Tue May 18, 2021 1:27 am

Tarkan wrote:
seektravelinfo wrote:
shivers wrote:She, her father, and what's left of their trusted colleagues are skilled politicians, not to be underestimated. I can't help but wonder what they're planning. Whatever it is, they won't save the party.


Their skills lie in how strategic they are in unabashedly and aggressively taking power, ethics be damned.


As compared to someone like Joe Biden, who somehow managed to pull crowds of less than 10 to his rallies, but managed to get more votes than Obama ever did. That wasn't an unabashed and aggressive power grab. Nope, not at all.


Are you spastic? Is that it?
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Re: Bravo, Liz Cheney

Postby Kurt » Tue May 18, 2021 2:32 am

Tarkan wrote:
seektravelinfo wrote:
shivers wrote:She, her father, and what's left of their trusted colleagues are skilled politicians, not to be underestimated. I can't help but wonder what they're planning. Whatever it is, they won't save the party.


Their skills lie in how strategic they are in unabashedly and aggressively taking power, ethics be damned.


As compared to someone like Joe Biden, who somehow managed to pull crowds of less than 10 to his rallies, but managed to get more votes than Obama ever did. That wasn't an unabashed and aggressive power grab. Nope, not at all.


Hahahahahaha.

Trump lost both the popular vote and the electoral vote.

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Re: Bravo, Liz Cheney

Postby seektravelinfo » Tue May 18, 2021 4:33 pm

It’s stunning that Trump’s effectiveness to his base is measured by them by his rallies, as though a MAGA rally is the same as governing.
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Postby el3so » Tue May 18, 2021 9:09 pm

seektravelinfo wrote:It’s stunning that Trump’s effectiveness to his base is measured by them by his rallies, as though a MAGA rally is the same as governing.
They needed "alternative facts" to have his inauguration crowd look as good as they claimed it was. Truth wills out.
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Re: Bravo, Liz Cheney

Postby Kurt » Tue May 18, 2021 10:06 pm

seektravelinfo wrote:It’s stunning that Trump’s effectiveness to his base is measured by them by his rallies, as though a MAGA rally is the same as governing.


A rally during a pandemic too. When Biden won people here put on masks and violated distancing mandates and celebrated in the streets.
Wasnt a planned rally though and in spite of all the black peopke gstheted in one area at the same time there was not any noticable crime...

But it was not a campaign rally...which is different and somehow better than a spontaneous victory celebration .....paid for by George Soros.
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Re: Bravo, Liz Cheney

Postby sparrow » Thu May 20, 2021 11:03 pm

Tarkan wrote:
As compared to someone like Joe Biden, who somehow managed to pull crowds of less than 10 to his rallies, but managed to get more votes than Obama ever did. That wasn't an unabashed and aggressive power grab. Nope, not at all.

You really do live in an alternative universe don't you?
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Re: Bravo, Liz Cheney

Postby ROB » Thu May 20, 2021 11:09 pm

sparrow wrote:
Tarkan wrote:
As compared to someone like Joe Biden, who somehow managed to pull crowds of less than 10 to his rallies, but managed to get more votes than Obama ever did. That wasn't an unabashed and aggressive power grab. Nope, not at all.

You really do live in an alternative universe don't you?


Suits his "alternative facts" I guess.
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