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The Dutch shooting protesters

Postby Kurt » Sat Nov 20, 2021 6:05 pm

NPR: Dutch police open fire on rioters in demonstration against COVID restrictions.
https://www.npr.org/2021/11/20/10576259 ... -rotterdam

Pretty shitty just to open fire on people for 1 torched cop car and another cop car with a bicycle smashed through its windshield (how very Dutch). Not sure if it was live or rubber rounds.

Though anti lockdown people are annoying and quite possibly dangerous (disease wise) I doubt cops in riot gear were in danger enough to shoot into a crowd.
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Re: The Dutch shooting protesters

Postby seektravelinfo » Sat Nov 20, 2021 6:28 pm

Europe is becoming off the hook. Austria now has an enforced quarantine. Unvaxxed people are required to stay at home except for the purpose of going to work and to get groceries. Many of these people work in service jobs (restaurants etc). Makes no sense, in terms of limiting their exposure to the public, since their job is to work with the public. I think the Austrian’s government approach to this is to let people know,” okay, we’ve tried everything, you still won’t budge, so we’re just gonna put you in time-out until you get with the program.”

I’m surprised that countries in Europe are vaccine hesitant. Germany is on the brink too. One would think that plagues that have decimated populations during the dark and Middle Ages would give them a valuable perspective, that the desire to avoid pandemic would be part of their DNA, but no. Maybe they think they have more robust immune systems BECAUSE their ancestors survived the Black Death.
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Postby Kurt » Sat Nov 20, 2021 7:09 pm

We think of the Dutch as being Liberal and tolerant, and they generally are, but they got a Fundy Christian population there that gets info from US fundies.

It took my Nigerian aunt dying of COVID (only 4 years older than me) for the Evangelical side of the family to shake off the US nonsense and get vaxxed. Most people double down on it even as family members croak.

But shooting people in order to save them sucks.
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Re: The Dutch shooting protesters

Postby seektravelinfo » Sat Nov 20, 2021 8:36 pm

Kurt wrote:
But shooting people in order to save them sucks.



The Mayor of Rotterdam should fire the Police Chief quick and in a hurry, assuming the orders to shoot came from the Chief.
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Postby el3so » Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:05 pm

First weekend with the new restrictions (less harsh than last year for those vaccinated), lots of demonstrations. Governments and police have broad support to clamp down on rioting.

Issue is too one-sided (disease is real, vaccines work, impact on health care will result in more suffering, violence begets violence) to be politicized by anyone other than fringe elements.
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Postby el3so » Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:20 pm

Kurt wrote:We think of the Dutch as being Liberal and tolerant, and they generally are, but they got a Fundy Christian population there that gets info from US fundies.
Think the Dutch bible-belt is homegrown and predates US protestants. It's a very closed community, doubt anyone in f.e. Urk gets "information" from outside their (small) group.
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Postby ROB » Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:24 pm

el3so wrote:
Kurt wrote:We think of the Dutch as being Liberal and tolerant, and they generally are, but they got a Fundy Christian population there that gets info from US fundies.
Think the Dutch bible-belt is homegrown and predates US protestants. It's a very closed community, doubt anyone in f.e. Urk gets "information" from outside their (small) group.


Dutch Reformists moved to New Zealand too.

Batshit is less crazy.
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Postby el3so » Fri Nov 26, 2021 7:20 pm

Even stricter lock-down measures in the Netherlands. My prediction: crazy dumb people will continue to do crazy dumb things.
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