COVID-19 death rate in the USA

[Kurt]

Is now at .26%

That is the rate of death for the whole population, not the infected. So when we hear there is a "survival rate of over 99%" that is technically true since the rate of death among the infected is not used.

Infected death rate is 1.25%

The death rate of the infected before the vaccine was available was a bit less than 3% for the infected.

So, if you were a person in the USA in January 1 of 2020 today, on average you have a 1 in 400 chance of being dead from COVID-19.

[Tarkan]

Problem is, there are lies, damn lies, and statistics.

Wollensky even came out and said the "covid deaths" number is fuckery: you get involved in a motor vehicle collision, your chest is caved in from the steering wheel. They test you for covid at the hospital. You are positive. You die from massive internal injuries sustained from the car wreck. Guess what, you count as a covid death.

The average person that actually died of covid had 4 co-morbidities.

At this point, how many people do you think haven't had covid? We caught it (again? who knows) over Christmas. It certainly wasn't worth shutting the fucking country down over, and had it been pre-covid, I wouldn't have even taken time off of work (as it was, I was already on PTO for the holidays).

[Kurt]

Problem is, there are lies, damn lies, and statistics.

Wollensky even came out and said the "covid deaths" number is fuckery: you get involved in a motor vehicle collision, your chest is caved in from the steering wheel. They test you for covid at the hospital. You are positive. You die from massive internal injuries sustained from the car wreck. Guess what, you count as a covid death.

The average person that actually died of covid had 4 co-morbidities.

At this point, how many people do you think haven't had covid? We caught it (again? who knows) over Christmas. It certainly wasn't worth shutting the fucking country down over, and had it been pre-covid, I wouldn't have even taken time off of work (as it was, I was already on PTO for the holidays).

How about Missouri?

https://missouriindependent.com/2021/12 ... -covid-19/

And that Wallensky "quote" fails to mention that she was talking about 75% of vaccinated people who died of covid had an average of 4 co-morbidities.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... -comment-/

Of course she was a bit too enthused about the fact that only the very sick were dying of COVID after being vaccinated.

So what to believe when you do not know all the numbers but you have some numbers?

You go with the numbers you have, right? People who believe that Vitamin D and Zinc will prevent them from getting it or believe COVID is a hoax will pressure death certificates to read something else. It happens but does it effect the the numbers significantly? I dunno, so right now I am sticking with 855,000 died of COVID out of 67,700,000 reported sick out of a population of 329,000,000. It's probably accurate when the ends of the Bell Curve are removed of COVID deniers whining to the coroner and covid positive car accident victims.

What numbers do you have?

[snaark]

So, if you were a person in the USA in January 1 of 2020 today, on average you have a 1 in 400 chance of being dead from COVID-19.

For people over 65 it's 1 in 100.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/13/us/covid-deaths-elderly-americans.html?smid=url-share

Anyone who still believes that this is not a deadly virus is either an idiot or doesn't have a large circle of friends. Most people by now know at least a couple of people who've died from it, at least anecdotally. Still, idiots exist. I know someone who's father died from it and they still believe it's all a hoax!

[snaark]

The average person that actually died of covid had 4 co-morbidities.

Haha, that's brilliant. Obesity, hypertension, asthma and diabetes are all comorbidities. Millions of people in America have all 4. None of them are by themselves immediately fatal. But by your logic if a diabetic dies of COVID the cause of death is diabetes. Bravo, gold star for you!

[Kurt]

The average person that actually died of covid had 4 co-morbidities.

Haha, that's brilliant. Obesity, hypertension, asthma and diabetes are all comorbidities. Millions of people in America have all 4. None of them are by themselves immediately fatal. But by your logic if a diabetic dies of COVID the cause of death is diabetes. Bravo, gold star for you!

My wife has Sickle Cell anemia. So we don't go out unless the infection rate drops to 5% or lower.

But anyway, Police in the various cities in the US decided to blame the huge death rate of black people in encounters with police was caused by "Sickle Cell Trait" in that when beaten, shoved in a cold cell and deprived of water and food while in custody, that they really died of Sickle Cell, and not being beaten or dehydrated.

So blaming co-morbidities is catching on.

----edit to show links---
https://www.hematology.org/newsroom/pre ... ody-deaths
https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... yre-wrong/

[Tarkan]

The average person that actually died of covid had 4 co-morbidities.

Haha, that's brilliant. Obesity, hypertension, asthma and diabetes are all comorbidities. Millions of people in America have all 4. None of them are by themselves immediately fatal. But by your logic if a diabetic dies of COVID the cause of death is diabetes. Bravo, gold star for you!

Let's look at the CDC's top 10 causes of death:

Heart disease: 696,962
Cancer: 602,350
COVID-19: 350,831
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 200,955
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 160,264
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 152,657
Alzheimer’s disease: 134,242
Diabetes: 102,188
Influenza and pneumonia: 53,544
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 52,547

Guess what - 6 of those (not including Covid) are driven largely by long term dietary and behavioral choices (smoking, alcoholism, and/or drug use). So yeah, if the person didn't have diabetes, they may have been able to clear a covid infection instead of dying.

[Kurt]

Guess what - 6 of those (not including Covid) are driven largely by long term dietary and behavioral choices (smoking, alcoholism, and/or drug use). So yeah, if the person didn't have diabetes, they may have been able to clear a covid infection instead of dying.

And that attitude explains our dropping life expectancy and the phenomenon raised in this article.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... pe/620028/

After the vaccine COVID has mostly killed the stupid. They might have other contributing factors as well, but with the vaccine they need , on average four to significantly increase their chance of dying.

Some Americans are actually saying "Well, since they are dumb, let them die" and they have a point, but that is part of the overall problem with the USA is that we got a huge problem blaming sick people for being sick.

In most Western nations a person with fatty liver disease who was afflicted because they drink too much gets treated for it anyway. Boom! Life expectancy goes up.

We have this dull constant grind of attrition and punishment in the hope of getting a reward ...later.

Those who are comfortable attribute it to their own control, ethics and lifestyle and then quietly thank Jeebus they were not born with a genetic condition, layed off the booze, smokes and fatty food and hope they don't get destroyed by a weird co-pay because they got hit by a car while outside of a cross walk.

[sparrow]

Two years in

[Kurt]

Personally I think Russia and India have had more COVID deaths than the USA.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/12/ ... 30k-a75964

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science ... -rcna11357

India's Modi is much weirder than Trump.

He is pushing traditional healers to be used first before going to modern medicine. This is causing an epidemic of snakebite deaths.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/india-is- ... e-massacre

A lot of "Tradtional Medicine" practitioners set up shop to make some cash..and you have Alex Jones, Joe Rogan and Gwyneth Paltrow types being able to make life or death choices for people.

I also think that this is where the "drink your own pee to prevent / treat COVID" thing started in the US, as that is the Indian Quack's first page in the fake medicine playbook.

[Tarkan]

Personally I think Russia and India have had more COVID deaths than the USA.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/12/ ... 30k-a75964

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science ... -rcna11357

India's Modi is much weirder than Trump.

He is pushing traditional healers to be used first before going to modern medicine. This is causing an epidemic of snakebite deaths.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/india-is- ... e-massacre

A lot of "Tradtional Medicine" practitioners set up shop to make some cash..and you have Alex Jones, Joe Rogan and Gwyneth Paltrow types being able to make life or death choices for people.

I also think that this is where the "drink your own pee to prevent / treat COVID" thing started in the US, as that is the Indian Quack's first page in the fake medicine playbook.

Do you think China only had 3500 fatalities from covid?

[Kurt]

Personally I think Russia and India have had more COVID deaths than the USA.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/12/ ... 30k-a75964

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science ... -rcna11357

India's Modi is much weirder than Trump.

He is pushing traditional healers to be used first before going to modern medicine. This is causing an epidemic of snakebite deaths.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/india-is- ... e-massacre

A lot of "Tradtional Medicine" practitioners set up shop to make some cash..and you have Alex Jones, Joe Rogan and Gwyneth Paltrow types being able to make life or death choices for people.

I also think that this is where the "drink your own pee to prevent / treat COVID" thing started in the US, as that is the Indian Quack's first page in the fake medicine playbook.

Do you think China only had 3500 fatalities from covid?

I doubt anyone really believes that.

[el3so]

Some interesting stuff at https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid#
Clogging up intensive care instead of dying quickly is what forms most of the strain. My exit plan involves inducing massive cardiac arrest by OD-ing on cocaine while having my face sat on by a young thing, not some lame respirator and an IV drip.

Seems silly this thing got politicised, guess we can file that under first world problems.

[el3so]

I also think that this is where the "drink your own pee to prevent / treat COVID" thing started in the US, as that is the Indian Quack's first page in the fake medicine playbook.

Seems less unsafe than bleach and animal medicine. And unless there's some sacred/special cup to be sold to piss in, how does this make people money?