64% of French police and military voted for the far-right

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64% of French police and military voted for the far-right

Postby ROB » Wed Jul 06, 2022 9:24 am

Vote Présidentielle 2022 par profession - policiers et militaires

Le Pen 39%
Zemmour 25%
Macron 14%
Pécresse 7%
Mélenchon 4%
Dupont Aignan 4%
Lassalle 4%
Roussel 1%
Jadot 1%
Poutou 1%
Hidalgo 0%
Arthaud 0%
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Re: 64% of French police and military voted for the far-righ

Postby vagabond » Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:54 pm

Police and fire unions endorsed Trump here in the US. Of course, they're hypocrites like most of their ilk since their pay checks come out of tax money and they rob people blind by milking overtime, etc. In LA, some LAFD captains even got caught out living in other states and flying in for their jobs.

Just looking over Le Pen's wiki page and other than her anti-immigrant and other social policies stuff, she would maybe be a centrist here?

On energy, Le Pen advocates a policy of energy independence for France, with a strong emphasis on support for nuclear and hydroelectric power. Le Pen is strongly opposed to wind energy due to its intermittency, tax burden in utility bills and impact on the landscape and built heritage. She is proposing a moratorium on new wind energy development on both sea and land from 2022 and the eventual dismantling of all current wind turbines.[160] Le Pen favours protectionism as an alternative to free trade.[41] She supports economic nationalism,[161] the separation of investment and retail banking,[162] and energy diversification,[163] and is opposed to the privatization of public services and social security,[164] speculation on international commodity markets,[164] and is opposed to the Common Agricultural Policy.[165]

Le Pen is opposed to globalization, which she blames for various negative economic trends, and opposes European Union supranationalism and federalism, instead favouring a loosely confederate 'Europe of the Nations'.[166] As of 2019, she no longer advocates for France to leave the EU or euro currency;[148] she had previously called both for France to leave the Eurozone[167] and for a referendum on France leaving the EU.[168] She has been a vocal opponent of the Treaty of Lisbon,[169] and opposes EU membership for Turkey and Ukraine.[170][171] Le Pen has pledged to take France out of NATO and the US sphere of influence.[20] She proposes the replacement of the World Trade Organization[172][173] and the abolition of the International Monetary Fund.[174]
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Postby el3so » Thu Jul 07, 2022 10:29 pm

As of 2019, she no longer advocates for France to leave the EU or euro currency
No shit Sherlock.

OT: Macron got 3 out of 5 votes when it mattered. Historically low turn-up fwiw.
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Re: 64% of French police and military voted for the far-righ

Postby seektravelinfo » Fri Jul 08, 2022 4:15 am

That sounds about right. Not gonna find many Liberals amongst law enforcement.
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Postby rickshaw92 » Fri Jul 08, 2022 4:34 am

seektravelinfo wrote:That sounds about right. Not gonna find many Liberals amongst law enforcement.


Not the military. I don't think today's liberals would be good / effective at either.
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Re: 64% of French police and military voted for the far-righ

Postby Kurt » Fri Jul 08, 2022 11:07 am

seektravelinfo wrote:That sounds about right. Not gonna find many Liberals amongst law enforcement.

A friend of mine in Wisconsin is a Socialist cop.
By his own admission he is a rarity but he did say that there are liberal cops as in those who vote democrat, but the "back the blue" types make the mist noise. Just how Liberal patriots dont harp on about it until an actual foriegn asset like Trump ends up in office.
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Re: 64% of French police and military voted for the far-righ

Postby Tarkan » Fri Jul 08, 2022 1:41 pm

Kurt wrote:
seektravelinfo wrote:That sounds about right. Not gonna find many Liberals amongst law enforcement.

A friend of mine in Wisconsin is a Socialist cop.
By his own admission he is a rarity but he did say that there are liberal cops as in those who vote democrat, but the "back the blue" types make the mist noise. Just how Liberal patriots dont harp on about it until an actual foriegn asset like Trump ends up in office.


Liberal patriots don't get social credit for being patriotic among their peer group.

Sort of like conservative atheists don't get social credit by bragging about their atheism to their conservative friends.
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Re: 64% of French police and military voted for the far-righ

Postby Kurt » Fri Jul 08, 2022 2:18 pm

Tarkan wrote:
Kurt wrote:
seektravelinfo wrote:That sounds about right. Not gonna find many Liberals amongst law enforcement.

A friend of mine in Wisconsin is a Socialist cop.
By his own admission he is a rarity but he did say that there are liberal cops as in those who vote democrat, but the "back the blue" types make the mist noise. Just how Liberal patriots dont harp on about it until an actual foriegn asset like Trump ends up in office.


Liberal patriots don't get social credit for being patriotic among their peer group.

Sort of like conservative atheists don't get social credit by bragging about their atheism to their conservative friends.

We don't?
Maybe we dont high five excessive displays but I am wary of those anyway. Just like they guy who goes on and on about how much they love their wife is usually the one who beats her or has a mistress or both.
Sorta like the "patriot" fondness for Putin.
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Re: 64% of French police and military voted for the far-righ

Postby Tarkan » Fri Jul 08, 2022 2:30 pm

Kurt wrote:
Tarkan wrote:
Kurt wrote:
seektravelinfo wrote:That sounds about right. Not gonna find many Liberals amongst law enforcement.

A friend of mine in Wisconsin is a Socialist cop.
By his own admission he is a rarity but he did say that there are liberal cops as in those who vote democrat, but the "back the blue" types make the mist noise. Just how Liberal patriots dont harp on about it until an actual foriegn asset like Trump ends up in office.


Liberal patriots don't get social credit for being patriotic among their peer group.

Sort of like conservative atheists don't get social credit by bragging about their atheism to their conservative friends.

We don't?
Maybe we dont high five excessive displays but I am wary of those anyway. Just like they guy who goes on and on about how much they love their wife is usually the one who beats her or has a mistress or both.
Sorta like the "patriot" fondness for Putin.


Given that a large number of liberals see things like the US Constitution as an anachronistic vestige of white privilege authored by white racist slave owners, view the entirety of the US as an illegitimate country stolen from indigenous brown people and feel triggered when their neighbors hang a US flag for 4th of July or Memorial Day, I think it's pretty safe to say that patriotic displays from left of center folks don't generate the kind of social proof that going to a BLM protect might: "Oh, so you support this racist system? How white of you."

Or maybe I'm just misinterpreting the selection of the USSR flag here, and it's really pro-American patriotic fervor amongst the Portland protestors:
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I'm not saying patriotic left-wing Americans don't exist, I'm saying they don't have a huge incentive to advertise their patriotism amongst peer groups until they become head of the CIA or the FBI and can use official state power to investigate and intimidate the people they disagree with politically.
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Re: 64% of French police and military voted for the far-righ

Postby Kurt » Fri Jul 08, 2022 2:55 pm

You see a photo and assume the context.
There is a Communist Cult called The RCP run by a clown named Bob Avakian.
The leech onto Leftist / Liberal rallies to seem bigger and they then attempt to take over a movement by scheduling meetings when no one who has a job can attend and then they vote themselves into power.

Or so they hope. No one falls for it but right wingers who see the commie flag but never sees them being told to fuck off.

So thats what your photo is there.
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Postby seektravelinfo » Fri Jul 08, 2022 4:17 pm

Kurt wrote:You see a photo and assume the context.
There is a Communist Cult called The RCP run by a clown named Bob Avakian.
The leech onto Leftist / Liberal rallies to seem bigger and they then attempt to take over a movement by scheduling meetings when no one who has a job can attend and then they vote themselves into power.

Or so they hope. No one falls for it but right wingers who see the commie flag but never sees them being told to fuck off.

So thats what your photo is there.



Yah, it’s like the Black Hebrew Israelites, who are known to regularly show up, are equivalent to BLM.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hebrew_Israelites
They are obnoxious and make a lot of noise. The proverbial turd in the punch bowl.

Had a conversation with a friend’s son in Pittsburgh who served in Iraq. I stated my thought that American military personnel lean to the right. He said not at all. Plenty of lefties in the voluntary military he said. People who may have leaned more center or right, but had gained some perspective vis a vis their service and turned left.

It’s the police who have become militarized, an evolution throughout the past three decades.
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Re: 64% of French police and military voted for the far-righ

Postby seektravelinfo » Fri Jul 08, 2022 4:18 pm

seektravelinfo wrote:
Kurt wrote:You see a photo and assume the context.
There is a Communist Cult called The RCP run by a clown named Bob Avakian.
The leech onto Leftist / Liberal rallies to seem bigger and they then attempt to take over a movement by scheduling meetings when no one who has a job can attend and then they vote themselves into power.

Or so they hope. No one falls for it but right wingers who see the commie flag but never sees them being told to fuck off.

So thats what your photo is there.



Yah, it’s like saying the Black Hebrew Israelites, who are known to regularly show up, are equivalent to BLM.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hebrew_Israelites
They are obnoxious and make a lot of noise. The proverbial turd in the punch bowl.


Had a conversation with a friend’s son in Pittsburgh who served in Iraq. I stated my thought that American military personnel lean to the right. He said not at all. Plenty of lefties in the voluntary military he said. People who may have leaned more center or right, but had gained some perspective vis a vis their service and turned left.

It’s the police who have become militarized, an evolution throughout the past three decades.
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Re: 64% of French police and military voted for the far-righ

Postby vagabond » Fri Jul 08, 2022 4:41 pm

seektravelinfo wrote:Plenty of lefties in the voluntary military he said. People who may have leaned more center or right, but had gained some perspective vis a vis their service and turned left.


This was my experience when working a bar that served quite a few Marines / 82nd Airborne that had been to Iraq and Afghanistan early in the wars. They were all early-mid twenties at that time (circa '05). "Generation Kill" seemed to be a good summary of their experiences. There are some interesting lefty military podcasts took like "Hell of A Way to Die".

I grew up with the axiom about how one gets more conservative as one gets older and gains life experience. Within my friend group (mainly white, highly educated) there are those like me that have ended up pretty left/progressive, others that are 'progressive' mainly in the identity politics way of things, and the rest pretty much supportive of establishment Dems, so I guess liberal economic policies, limited social ones. Basically, whatever doesn't effect their home value or stock portfolio.

The most 'surprising' GOP/Trump voters I've run into were a Persian Catholic dude and a son of Pakistani immigrants. Then again, both were investment bankers, so not too surprising.

Back to the topic of the thread though, I'm guessing the French police/military might mainly be in on the French far-right due to the anti-immigrant stance (plus funding boost that may give them) vs the reasons US police, fire, and military go right.
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Re: 64% of French police and military voted for the far-righ

Postby Kurt » Fri Jul 08, 2022 6:06 pm

Yah The Black Hebrews are also doing all those fake Liens too. I have 1 white neighbor and she gardens outside alot and she got a fake lien last year from them. I mostly hang out in the back yard or I would have got one as well.

They sell the right for submitting liens in a "territory" basically it is right wing soveriegn citizen bullshit but for black people. Also Right Wing is they have an MLM structure and the ones you see at BLM rallies are looking for recruits.
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