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vagabond wrote:Was waiting to see who was going to post first ;-)
Have heard the name but no recollection of this person (I was a bit young at the time). Wikipedia quotes good ole Nancy though:
"Sandy Berger", Nancy Pelosi said in 1997, "was the point-man at ... Hogan & Hartson ... for the trade office of the Chinese government. He was a lawyer-lobbyist."
Lol.
I like your part about him being a lawyer and probably knowing what he was doing. Seems a lot of these folks run in the same circles and have similar pedigrees.
Re Trump fun this week:
DOJ’s June Mar-a-Lago Trip Helps Prove 18 USC 793e
The Likely Content of a Trump Search Affidavit
And of course, there's all the speculation on who snitched.
You'd think after decades of criminality they would be better at crime. Then again, maybe it doesn't matter when you always get away with it.
vagabond wrote:You'd think after decades of criminality they would be better at crime. Then again, maybe it doesn't matter when you always get away with it.
Kurt wrote:vagabond wrote:You'd think after decades of criminality they would be better at crime. Then again, maybe it doesn't matter when you always get away with it.
Trump always hid his crime and got penalty reductions the same way Berger did, but Berger was a lawyer who hired lawyers. Trump melded with companies that had access to those very same Lawyers.
Like Trump University...Which was a total Fraud but only a 25 Million dollar fine and restitution.
In order to understand power in the US you gotta understand Schools. There is a "Deep State" but not the one we think of as a mysterious cabal of people who pull the strings but rather as a combination of East Coast Schools (Mostly) and the connections they bring.
Why does the NRA have HQ in New York? Because the Yalies who work there don't fucking want to live in Tennessee. They don't want the hoi poloi coming up and shaking their hands for the work that they do. The regular jackoffs pay their salaries so they don't have to live next to people like that...and more importantly they are in proximity to all the other people in power. Tish James did not go to school with any of them. That is why she fucks these people so hard. She has access to what every other AG had access to but the other AG would discuss the problems over lunch at Elaine's agree on a fine and then get around to rousting black kids for smoking weed on the corner.
Kurt wrote:In order to understand power in the US you gotta understand Schools. There is a "Deep State" but not the one we think of as a mysterious cabal of people who pull the strings but rather as a combination of East Coast Schools (Mostly) and the connections they bring.
Why does the NRA have HQ in New York? Because the Yalies who work there don't fucking want to live in Tennessee. They don't want the hoi poloi coming up and shaking their hands for the work that they do. The regular jackoffs pay their salaries so they don't have to live next to people like that...and more importantly they are in proximity to all the other people in power. Tish James did not go to school with any of them. That is why she fucks these people so hard. She has access to what every other AG had access to but the other AG would discuss the problems over lunch at Elaine's agree on a fine and then get around to rousting black kids for smoking weed on the corner.
The January 6 attack on the Capitol showed us the deep fissures in the Back the Blue concept trotted out by the right in response to the Black Lives Matter protests of recent years. While conservatives claim to support the police, they do so on a very narrow basis. Police authority is desirable to them only as long as it is solely directed at what they perceive to be suspect classes, including poor people, BIPOC communities, trans people, immigrants, anti-fascists, sex workers, and other marginalized groups. Built into right-wing support for the police is an understanding — grounded in history — that police authority should not be exercised against the powerful classes, including the wealthy, the politically dominant — and white nationalists. This understanding is why many on the right do not view images of “Back the Blue” proponents beating Capitol police with their Trump flags as hypocritical.
vagabond wrote:Kurt wrote:In order to understand power in the US you gotta understand Schools. There is a "Deep State" but not the one we think of as a mysterious cabal of people who pull the strings but rather as a combination of East Coast Schools (Mostly) and the connections they bring.
Why does the NRA have HQ in New York? Because the Yalies who work there don't fucking want to live in Tennessee. They don't want the hoi poloi coming up and shaking their hands for the work that they do. The regular jackoffs pay their salaries so they don't have to live next to people like that...and more importantly they are in proximity to all the other people in power. Tish James did not go to school with any of them. That is why she fucks these people so hard. She has access to what every other AG had access to but the other AG would discuss the problems over lunch at Elaine's agree on a fine and then get around to rousting black kids for smoking weed on the corner.
Wait...you're saying the well-of and connected don't have the best interests of the average citizen at heart?! *pearls clutched in shock* :P
I totally get what you're saying and went to a minor version of the same schools myself, know people in the lower rungs of those echelons, etc. I forget who pointed it out, but the bias we come across in places like NYT and elsewhere isn't political, it's class-based given who tends to make up those ranks.
It's also like the 'fun' some of us are having seeing a minor amount of consequences for the wealthy and privileged in this circumstance. Quoting Alex Vitale:The January 6 attack on the Capitol showed us the deep fissures in the Back the Blue concept trotted out by the right in response to the Black Lives Matter protests of recent years. While conservatives claim to support the police, they do so on a very narrow basis. Police authority is desirable to them only as long as it is solely directed at what they perceive to be suspect classes, including poor people, BIPOC communities, trans people, immigrants, anti-fascists, sex workers, and other marginalized groups. Built into right-wing support for the police is an understanding — grounded in history — that police authority should not be exercised against the powerful classes, including the wealthy, the politically dominant — and white nationalists. This understanding is why many on the right do not view images of “Back the Blue” proponents beating Capitol police with their Trump flags as hypocritical.
-- https://truthout.org/articles/there-are-good-reasons-to-defund-the-fbi-they-have-nothing-to-do-with-trump/
And, as we've seen a lot recently, these mfers are able to dodge subpoenas and court appearances like it's no big deal. What's that saying? "Laws for thee, not for me". This is the stuff that should be enraging the law and order types, but, as pointed out above, criminality only applies to certain people. That is until you get caught up in it. Spending a day at court in the rural South myself for a misdemeanor was an eye-opening experience, to say the least. Not to mention when my community service officer didn't submit my papers (after $300 in fees) and I ended up with an warrant for my arrest out. My experience was insanely small compared to some of the stuff I heard from others in that hot courtroom. Not to mention what we've witnessed in LA and other major cities the past couple years.
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