seektravelinfo wrote:Kurt wrote:She has a better chance of Primary-ing Biden. For some reason the Dems have been more praising of her, anti-choice warmonger, than Biden and Harris (not perfect by any means, but c'mon Dems)
If Cheney wants a "win" against Trump then she's gotta do a "Third Party" "Real Republicans" thing. That would totally fuck MAGA just as Andrew Yang's "third party" of....Andrew Yang? Would fuck the Dems.
It IS best to take a pause now and then to acknowledge that her platforms and voting record is not in our interest. Her commitment to the Jan. 6 investigations and hearings is such a huge RELIEF and people are grateful that a Republican is pushing back. So, she kinda gets a mulligan but there is an expiration date.
When Reagan was governor of California in the ‘60’s he signed the most liberal abortion bill that any state provided. He did his about face when he was fixing to run for the White House to make the Baptists happy. He did put Sandra Day O’Connor on the Supreme Court and she was a staunch defender of Roe v. Wade.
The Democrats then became mealy-mouthed on the issue, avoided it, changed the subject. Clinton to his credit was always vocally pro-choice. Even though some really bad shit started happening: Clinic bombings, assassinations of doctors, on-going harassment of the general public by Operation Rescue its true that the Democrats did little to nothing.
I'm going to be in a awkward position of defending the Democrats here for a minute...but after Roe v. Wade, what exactly were they supposed to do? Any law passed at the Federal level wouldn't have supremacy over state law due to the 10th Amendment (which is why garden variety homicide is a state crime, not a Federal crime - the *states* have police power). Under Roe, it basically had strict scrutiny - which is more than the 2nd Amendment (a right that actually is enshrined in the Constitution) had until this year. Realistically, Democrats had a very small window in 2009 when they might have been able to jam through legislation (having a Filibuster proof majority in the Senate), but they spent all of their political capital getting the Affordable Care Act passed - and that by itself cost them the midterm elections in 2010. So, in a short, pushing Federal legislation would have generated an unnecessary political battle that would not have materially improved anything with regard to abortion. Additionally, there wasn't any movement, grass roots or otherwise, pushing for the legislation because they had the cover of Roe.
The real battle was whether or not there were going to be ANY restrictions on abortion, and THAT is where the Democrats screwed up, because they let the loony extremists be the voice and face of the party on abortion: the loony extremists want abortion to be legal right up until the baby's feet pass through the vagina at 40 weeks...and while it's true that most Americans don't want abortion to be completely illegal, most also think a 40 week old fetus IS ACTUALLY A BABY rather than a clump of cells, and killing it is murder. Rather than doing what liberal Europe largely does (which is outlaw it in the 2nd or 3rd trimester unless health of the mother is at risk), the loony left kept pushing and pushing, meanwhile the anti-abortion right proceeded methodically through state legislatures and the courts building a structure to overturn Roe v Wade.
I do find it kind of funny though. Trump spent most of his life being pro-choice, and ends up being the guy that, via his SCOTUS appointments, killed Roe v Wade.
