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seektravelinfo wrote:If he is arrested his voters will turn on him so as to save face. His diehard MAGA base will grandstand and grind their teeth but effect no meaningful change. Schoastic terrorism will be a given. Proud Boys, INCELS, Oath-Keepers, assorted militias and all those LARP people will continue to menace and flex without achieving their goals.
Probably a lot of those described above will get monkey pox, anti-vaxx as they are, so get used to the sight of oozing pustules. They’ll insist that they are sacrificing much to achieve herd immunity and expect a medal or something. The pus from their pox will accessorize their stupid tattoos.
Have you gotten that vaxx, Kurt? NYC seems to be the only place that’s at least trying to get serious with this.
Kurt wrote:seektravelinfo wrote:If he is arrested his voters will turn on him so as to save face. His diehard MAGA base will grandstand and grind their teeth but effect no meaningful change. Schoastic terrorism will be a given. Proud Boys, INCELS, Oath-Keepers, assorted militias and all those LARP people will continue to menace and flex without achieving their goals.
Probably a lot of those described above will get monkey pox, anti-vaxx as they are, so get used to the sight of oozing pustules. They’ll insist that they are sacrificing much to achieve herd immunity and expect a medal or something. The pus from their pox will accessorize their stupid tattoos.
Have you gotten that vaxx, Kurt? NYC seems to be the only place that’s at least trying to get serious with this.
No. I am trying.
When I was 32 I got chicken pox. Worst experience of my life. 2 weeks without sleep (i get told "you must have slept but not realized it" I did not sleep) a visit to the ER counted pox per inch andestimated I had 4000+ blisters. I did not eat, I was in pain that is almost impossible to describe. I had blisters everywhere. Throat, eyes, urethra, vas deferens, butthole, prostate, soles of my feet.
When I have nightmares they are about chicken pox. I cannot have kids now.
Anyway I really want this vax. I also believe in following guidelines but I have been really tempted to claim to get dude pussy often in order to get it but I am waiting my legit turn.
People said it is pure pain. Dont wanna go through that again.
vagabond wrote:I also agree with seeks that a lot of the 'supporters' will probably sit on the sidelines and ask others to do the dirty work of getting shot by feds or, unfortunately, keep terrorizing civilians at malls, parades, what have you. I think there are the cultist/true believers and then there are the majority that just don't want to be seen as backing the wrong horse no matter how many ponies it raped.
There's a big question going around of IF this administration has the right evidence of something so bad they can put Donnie and his crew behind bars how that would even work. Real prison? Home arrest w/ no internet access?
seektravelinfo wrote:If he is arrested his voters will turn on him so as to save face. His diehard MAGA base will grandstand and grind their teeth but effect no meaningful change. Schoastic terrorism will be a given. Proud Boys, INCELS, Oath-Keepers, assorted militias and all those LARP people will continue to menace and flex without achieving their goals.
Probably a lot of those described above will get monkey pox, anti-vaxx as they are, so get used to the sight of oozing pustules. They’ll insist that they are sacrificing much to achieve herd immunity and expect a medal or something. The pus from their pox will accessorize their stupid tattoos.
seektravelinfo wrote:vagabond wrote:I also agree with seeks that a lot of the 'supporters' will probably sit on the sidelines and ask others to do the dirty work of getting shot by feds or, unfortunately, keep terrorizing civilians at malls, parades, what have you. I think there are the cultist/true believers and then there are the majority that just don't want to be seen as backing the wrong horse no matter how many ponies it raped.
There's a big question going around of IF this administration has the right evidence of something so bad they can put Donnie and his crew behind bars how that would even work. Real prison? Home arrest w/ no internet access?
It’s reported that his passports were taken when they executed the search warrant, but then Trump himself may have started that rumor. What’s to stop him from fleeing anyway, sans passport? He could be granted asylum in Russia, or any country that would have him. Greenland could take him. Didn’t he try to buy it once anyway?
Tarkan wrote:seektravelinfo wrote:vagabond wrote:I also agree with seeks that a lot of the 'supporters' will probably sit on the sidelines and ask others to do the dirty work of getting shot by feds or, unfortunately, keep terrorizing civilians at malls, parades, what have you. I think there are the cultist/true believers and then there are the majority that just don't want to be seen as backing the wrong horse no matter how many ponies it raped.
There's a big question going around of IF this administration has the right evidence of something so bad they can put Donnie and his crew behind bars how that would even work. Real prison? Home arrest w/ no internet access?
It’s reported that his passports were taken when they executed the search warrant, but then Trump himself may have started that rumor. What’s to stop him from fleeing anyway, sans passport? He could be granted asylum in Russia, or any country that would have him. Greenland could take him. Didn’t he try to buy it once anyway?
The FBI did (illegally) seize 3 of his passports. 2 were expired, and 1 is the diplomatic passport he gets as President. It was an illegal seizure because the passports were not part of the search warrant nor can they be alleged to be evidence of criminal activity identified incidental to the search warrant, and contrary to your wishes, Trump is not actually barred from leaving the country at the moment. Thus, the passports are being returned.
Kurt wrote:Tarkan wrote:seektravelinfo wrote:vagabond wrote:I also agree with seeks that a lot of the 'supporters' will probably sit on the sidelines and ask others to do the dirty work of getting shot by feds or, unfortunately, keep terrorizing civilians at malls, parades, what have you. I think there are the cultist/true believers and then there are the majority that just don't want to be seen as backing the wrong horse no matter how many ponies it raped.
There's a big question going around of IF this administration has the right evidence of something so bad they can put Donnie and his crew behind bars how that would even work. Real prison? Home arrest w/ no internet access?
It’s reported that his passports were taken when they executed the search warrant, but then Trump himself may have started that rumor. What’s to stop him from fleeing anyway, sans passport? He could be granted asylum in Russia, or any country that would have him. Greenland could take him. Didn’t he try to buy it once anyway?
The FBI did (illegally) seize 3 of his passports. 2 were expired, and 1 is the diplomatic passport he gets as President. It was an illegal seizure because the passports were not part of the search warrant nor can they be alleged to be evidence of criminal activity identified incidental to the search warrant, and contrary to your wishes, Trump is not actually barred from leaving the country at the moment. Thus, the passports are being returned.
If you have ever worked for some place where a search warrant is executed you would know this stuff happens all the time.
So they have a warrant to take certain things. Cops do not know many of these things, especially relating to documents. The AG or whomever has authority will have document checkers go over documents one by one. When they find something not covered in the warrant they return it.
Taking passports is not illegal. Keeping his passports would be illegal.
Picture this: When I would take hard drives as forensic evidence for a Law firm I was allowed to take the whole computer, even if the subpoena / Warrant was only for documents or images relating to the matter. Then an image is taken and the data reviewed. Data not relevant to the matter is removed, the laptop returned as it was before.
Trump's matter is "classified material" They did not even know what the material was, but had to have people with clearance review the contents of boxes. The fact his passports were returned so quickly shows they have a lot of people reviewing these. Typically it is ASAP (with "Possible" often meaning 6 months) For practical reasons " Box of documents" is equivalent to a hard drive on a laptop.
Its weird that the USA is known for 3 things:
1. Guns.
2. Lawsuits
3. Massive Incarceration rates.
And yet more US Citizens know how and when you can shoot a person and have it be legal but not have a fucking clue about Legal discovery processes.
Tarkan wrote:
"Illegally" here is a term of art. They were not authorized to pull passports. The passports were stored in a safe that they opened, not stuffed in between folders in box A21. They were clearly passports and not "classified material". Thus, factually an illegal seizure, but not a criminal seizure.
But given the expansive nature of the seizure of potential "evidence", it's interesting to contrast this with the treatment of Hillary and her email server (no FBI raids, no seizure of evidence, blanket immunity given to the entire Hillary staff, immunity not revoked when it was learned that not all evidence was turned over, allowing de facto conspirators to destroy evidence in advance of FBI investigators reviewing, bullshit delaying tactics like printing out the emails instead of handing over the email server)...which again highlights the fact that this is intensely political, and the alleged criminality is a smokescreen for a political hit job.
Kurt wrote:Tarkan wrote:
"Illegally" here is a term of art. They were not authorized to pull passports. The passports were stored in a safe that they opened, not stuffed in between folders in box A21. They were clearly passports and not "classified material". Thus, factually an illegal seizure, but not a criminal seizure.
But given the expansive nature of the seizure of potential "evidence", it's interesting to contrast this with the treatment of Hillary and her email server (no FBI raids, no seizure of evidence, blanket immunity given to the entire Hillary staff, immunity not revoked when it was learned that not all evidence was turned over, allowing de facto conspirators to destroy evidence in advance of FBI investigators reviewing, bullshit delaying tactics like printing out the emails instead of handing over the email server)...which again highlights the fact that this is intensely political, and the alleged criminality is a smokescreen for a political hit job.
Have you ever worked at a place where documents are taken? You must have. They bring hand trucks for file cabinets because they are going to precisely determine what files to keep and which to return.
So with Trump it may have been "Documents in Safe" or even "Contents of Safe" or sometimes even "Safe". Later, if there is a court case Trumps lawyers will go through and try to get as much taken stuff as possible as inadmissible. In fact as Trump's lawyers would have probably wanted, if they would have kept stuff they were not supposed to keep AND tried to use it as evidence in a trial then they could have had more scrutiny with other documents.
Its weird to see the so-called "Law and Order" crowd so obtuse about the actual process of Law and Order. Law and Order is mostly paperwork and CoC documents. But I suppose if "my guy" was looking more and more like a Russian / Saudi / UAE asset every day I would be grasping as well.
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