Oath Keepers Trial

[Kurt]

At 2:51pm to 3:09pm on January 6th 2021 Dennis Godbold, Tom Caldwell and Adrian Grimes discovered that members of Congress were in the tunnels below the capitol and tried to find a way to seal them inside and "turn on the gas".

No gas or way to "seal them in" was found.

So we got an attempt to Murder the Vice President of the US, Speaker of the House and however many members of Congress were down in those tunnels.

But gas prices are kind of high.

[Tarkan]

At 2:51pm to 3:09pm on January 6th 2021 Dennis Godbold, Tom Caldwell and Adrian Grimes discovered that members of Congress were in the tunnels below the capitol and tried to find a way to seal them inside and "turn on the gas".

No gas or way to "seal them in" was found.

So we got an attempt to Murder the Vice President of the US, Speaker of the House and however many members of Congress were down in those tunnels.

But gas prices are kind of high.

For attempted murder, you need intent, motive, means, and opportunity.

What you’ve articulated qualifies as intent, maybe conspiracy. Not quite attempted murder.

[Kurt]

At 2:51pm to 3:09pm on January 6th 2021 Dennis Godbold, Tom Caldwell and Adrian Grimes discovered that members of Congress were in the tunnels below the capitol and tried to find a way to seal them inside and "turn on the gas".

No gas or way to "seal them in" was found.

So we got an attempt to Murder the Vice President of the US, Speaker of the House and however many members of Congress were down in those tunnels.

But gas prices are kind of high.

For attempted murder, you need intent, motive, means, and opportunity.

What you’ve articulated qualifies as intent, maybe conspiracy. Not quite attempted murder.

Intent = Lets lock them up and gas them.
Failure doesn't mean a mass murder attempt did not happen.
Caldwell lamented about the Oath Keepers not having guns because they could have killed hundreds of politicians.
They did at least obey DCs gun laws but they wanted Trump to declare a state of emergency and "call up the militia" (them) and then they would have gotten guns and actually killed people.

These are nasty fuckers. These are the undercurrent that the Right has been talking about since you all were Anti-Anti-War protests.

[Tarkan]

At 2:51pm to 3:09pm on January 6th 2021 Dennis Godbold, Tom Caldwell and Adrian Grimes discovered that members of Congress were in the tunnels below the capitol and tried to find a way to seal them inside and "turn on the gas".

No gas or way to "seal them in" was found.

So we got an attempt to Murder the Vice President of the US, Speaker of the House and however many members of Congress were down in those tunnels.

But gas prices are kind of high.

For attempted murder, you need intent, motive, means, and opportunity.

What you’ve articulated qualifies as intent, maybe conspiracy. Not quite attempted murder.

Intent = Lets lock them up and gas them.
Failure doesn't mean a mass murder attempt did not happen.
Caldwell lamented about the Oath Keepers not having guns because they could have killed hundreds of politicians.
They did at least obey DCs gun laws but they wanted Trump to declare a state of emergency and "call up the militia" (them) and then they would have gotten guns and actually killed people.

These are nasty fuckers. These are the undercurrent that the Right has been talking about since you all were Anti-Anti-War protests.

Not saying they aren't nasty fuckers that don't deserve prison time who were conspiring to commit murder.

https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/r ... murder.htm

[Kurt]

At 2:51pm to 3:09pm on January 6th 2021 Dennis Godbold, Tom Caldwell and Adrian Grimes discovered that members of Congress were in the tunnels below the capitol and tried to find a way to seal them inside and "turn on the gas".

No gas or way to "seal them in" was found.

So we got an attempt to Murder the Vice President of the US, Speaker of the House and however many members of Congress were down in those tunnels.

But gas prices are kind of high.

For attempted murder, you need intent, motive, means, and opportunity.

What you’ve articulated qualifies as intent, maybe conspiracy. Not quite attempted murder.

Intent = Lets lock them up and gas them.
Failure doesn't mean a mass murder attempt did not happen.
Caldwell lamented about the Oath Keepers not having guns because they could have killed hundreds of politicians.
They did at least obey DCs gun laws but they wanted Trump to declare a state of emergency and "call up the militia" (them) and then they would have gotten guns and actually killed people.

These are nasty fuckers. These are the undercurrent that the Right has been talking about since you all were Anti-Anti-War protests.

Not saying they aren't nasty fuckers that don't deserve prison time who were conspiring to commit murder.

https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/r ... murder.htm

Action: Storming the Capitol. Not permitted in the Capitol so it was a break-in since they broke parts of it.
Intention: Looking for Nancy Pelosi, stating where the Congress members were located and expressing desire to seal them in and "gas them". Bragging about how they could have killed "hundreds of politicians that day".

Hell, when there are deaths during the committing of a felony those present can be liable for a murder charge. This is even if the deaths are unrelated to the action of the crime.

So Ashli Babbit gets killed by security = Those present can be charged.

I mean, I would have ramrodded these fucks for that alone. Would have been hilarious to get them charged for their dumb ass martyr's death. I only oppose any prosecution that smacks of Double Jeopardy, which means that they should have been hit hard and often once Biden took office, now we are losing the opportunity to do this.

[Kurt]

This is weird.

The mustache guy is Tom Caldwell and he says he is gonna wipe his ass on Pelosi's doorknob.

The odd part about this is that the people who cleaned up after these pigs said there was poop everywhere in the Capitol. No one really treated it as odd either except the people who had to clean up after them. It was just like "lets poop and smear it" and everyone was like "Duh, of course that is a thing we do".

I have been in a lot of protests. From 1990 to 1996 for weed legalization (cops used to beat the shit out of us for that. Seemed dumb then, seems dumber now) and from 1998 to 2001 for anti-NAFTA, IMF, and GATT etc. (cops used to beat the shit out of us for that too) and from 2001 to about 2005 for Anti-War stuff and cops really beat the shit out of us for that and used chokeholds until our blood vessels burst in our eyes.

But we never actually pooped. "Beat the shit out of" was just an expression and if someone had crapped themselves while getting beaten (I have seen this happen because I did it to a guy once 34 years ago) then at least you know they could not help it because they were being beaten.

These guys like walked in there and pretty much started crapping. If any protesters I knew had done that we would have ...I dunno, walked away from them? A giant avoidance circle would have formed around them and their poop. If they would have started smearing it we would have found one of their affiliate people and asked them to help them out of the area because it would be apparent they were having a break with reality.

That is one reason (of the many) that I knew it was not Antifa. Lefties would have ... Left ... once the poop started happening.

[vagabond]

The whole poop thing is fascinating (if disgusting). I started thinking more about it after the last televised committee hearing and seeing the video of Pelosi having to say the word poop.

Started to wonder: Did these people hold it throughout the whole rally, hoping they'd get in? How can they do that on command in a high adrenaline / stress situation? I feel like most people have their systems lock up. Can't eat, piss, or poop until back to normal.

[el3so]

they wanted Trump to declare a state of emergency and "call up the militia" (them) and then they would have gotten guns and actually killed people.

“A failed coup without consequences, becomes a training exercise.” sounds dramatic but IMO not enough people realise it works both ways.

Doubt anyone into the maga nonsense has a long enough attention span or the mental capacity to learn anything from this.

If there ever is a next time, they won't bother with the batons and the riot shields, they'll start shooting shmucks that get anywhere near those steps.

[Kurt]

Rhodes took to the stand to testifiy at his own trial the last two days.

His opening talk was like an Oath Keeper recruitment speech. You could tell he was really confident he could charm people.

Then, as expected, he got nailed in cross examination. He said that Mich McConnel's wife was Chicom based on her Chinese Ancestry and nothing else. (earlier he said he was not racist ) He said he did not want the insurrection to happen on J6 but "after" the inauguration because Trump needed time to invoke the insurrection act, nullify the vote and conduct another one. He denied knowledge of the "Quick Reaction Force" but multiple Signal messages had him telling people they had a QRF outside of DC. He claimed that the multiple Oath Keepers who stormed the Capitol were "off mission" and he was supreme commander except for "off mission activity" but of course he was filmed trasspassing on Capitol grounds (he claimed he did not know he was not supposed to be there....never an excuse for a crime as everyone, especially a Law School grad should know)

His testimony ended with the cross examination contradicting his claim against violence and overthrow of the Government by a recording made at the Olive Garden saying he wanted to hang Nancy Pelosi from a lamp post and that "if we had rifles this would have been settled".

[Kurt]

One thing that is odd about this trial and I guess it is expected:

So many of them got fucked up by COVID.

Greg McWhirter is in the hospital now with a possible covid related heart attack, Piekerman and Jackson report being in a "COVID fog" and Rhodes had to miss out on his own trial for a few days while he recovered from COVID. I would have doubts how "Quick" their Quick Reaction Force would be now if they are all falling in and out of being sick.

Kind of related, I went to a Lefty-ish Halloween party on the 30th. Since my wife is immune compromised the whole frikken party of 30+ people took a covid test before entering. No one tested positive and we all had a great time. Quite nice of them to do that for her and for others.

If I was a right wing militia member I think I would be constantly sick and my wife might be dead.

[Kurt]

This is a transcript "live tweeted" from the trial.

Adrian Grimes (Oath Keeper on Facebook Chat) : fuck pence, he needs to go ... another one who needs lead.

Lawyer Cross Examining: "he means getting shot?"

Goldbod (Oathkeeper being cross examined: " i dont take it that way. may mean getting lead somewhere. ... i take it, should have been lead out of the building."

(claiming Lead means "escorted" rather than Pb the element used in bullets)

Adrian Grimes (On FB chat again): "only one answer ... throwing lead down range"

(Doesn't try to claim he means throwing "escorted out the building" down a firing range and just leaves it there)

The only Oath Keeper that held his fudge under cross examination was the only African American Oath Keeper and most of his replied (I cannot remember his name) were like "Then you stormed the capitol?"
"Those are not the words I would use"
or "The chats point to a Quick Reaction Forced designed to arm Oath Keepers if Trump invoked the Insurrection act?"
"If you say so"

But these other dudes are totally out of water. I think they had their whole lives just bullshitting people and explaining bad or illegal behavior and not having anyone believe it but not suffering any consequences either. Then suddenly someone who is a professional and whose job it is to point out contradictions call them on the simplest thing like "Lead" and they melt right there on the stand.

The other funny part is that each and every witness for the Oath Keepers gives a different answer for the Quick Reaction Force and what it's purpose was. The most recent was that the boat was not to carry weapons but wounded Oath Keepers to the Hotel with all the weapons so they could get medical treatment. One claimed it was only if Trump declared an insurrection and called up the Oath Keepers as a Militia (which probably cannot be legally done as Militias were replaced by the National Guard in 1903 and those became "Reserves" in 1933) and someone claimed it was just a place to "drop their guns off" before entering DC. The witnesses for a prosecution all have consistent testimony about what the QRF was, for "When the shit hits the fan" on January 6th and for an armed Rebellion if Biden would be inaugurated on Jan 20. Stewart Rhodes even, stupidly, let it slip that since he was on trial for Sedition on January 6th was made irrelevant since the Rebellion was actually supposed to take place on January 20th and January 21st.

[el3so]

So many of them got fucked up by COVID.

Gonna need one of those extreme ultraviolet lithography machines to make the size of violin you can see me pretending to play.

[Kurt]

Apparently the Ohio Oath Keepers were worried about a "UN Invasion by Biden" and "Chinese Invasion from Canada" they had to be "Fighting Fit" by inauguration.

The claim that the term "Fighting Fit" is not about fighting at all but just in case Police requested their assistance to repel the Biden / UN / China / Canada invasion.

This was from the testimony of Brendan Jacob Dillon in support of Jessica Watkins.

I am getting the impression that the only things that stopped the Coup from slaughtering people in DC was that Trump did not read Stewart Rhodes wordy letter to him and that "Law Enforcement" did not call Militias to stop the non-invasions they thought were going to happen.

All it probably would have taken would have been a fake LEO on Signal calling it and it would have been massacre

[Kurt]

Caldwell, the Butt Wiping Guy on Pelosi's doorknob, is claiming his comment about Ferrying "heavy weapons" from a Hotel, accross the Potomac to DC to support a Civil War was really just him talking about "one of his screenplays"

He writes screenplays as a hobby.

His communication on status and positions of J6 are really just him announcing a "Play by Play" like he did for Fox News coverage of high school sports and on the radio. He was a part time Sports announcer.

This is really funny. When you are an idiot but with some degree of status people just kind of let you ramble on and never call bullshit on you and it works fine until you try to overthrow the government and then agree to testify in your own defense.

[seektravelinfo]

The only Oath Keeper that held his fudge under cross examination was the only African American Oath Keeper and most of his replied (I cannot remember his name) were like "Then you stormed the capitol?"
"Those are not the words I would use"
or "The chats point to a Quick Reaction Forced designed to arm Oath Keepers if Trump invoked the Insurrection act?"
"If you say so"

But these other dudes are totally out of water. I think they had their whole lives just bullshitting people and explaining bad or illegal behavior and not having anyone believe it but not suffering any consequences either. Then suddenly someone who is a professional and whose job it is to point out contradictions call them on the simplest thing like "Lead" and they melt right there on the stand..

It’s astonishing how naive they are.