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coldharvest wrote:President Alan Garcia is a shit-stain.
flipflop wrote:Inconsistency. You backed Chavez closing down that Venezuelan TV channel a while ago, something about it being extreme and calling for revolution, remember? Why is closing down a Radio Station by the Peruvian government any different to what Chavez did?
Penta wrote:
Not really. Because
1. I merely posted the news; I didn't comment on it.
Penta wrote:Alán García has inflamed matters further by being quoted as saying publicly that the indigenous people are "not first-class citizens", when one of their complaints is that they are treated as second-class citizens.
Penta wrote:coldharvest wrote:President Alan Garcia is a shit-stain.
Indeed he is.
And here's something you're unlikely to read much about in the Western press, I fear (imagine if it had been Chávez or Evo)
Peru: Battles over exploitation of indigenous lands
(Because I know no more about the station, what it was broadcasting, the circumstances of its closure and all the rest than I read in the article.)
2. RCTV's licence was not renewed when it came due, 5 years' after the coup it incited and supported; it wasn't summarily closed down. For those 5 years it had continually broken both the spirit and the letter of the law.
3. I knew about both the circumstances of RCTV's closure and its content (because I had watched it). I was in a position to express a view.
Sorry, flipflop, you'll have to do a bit better than that.
flipflop wrote:Bullshit. What's this then?:Penta wrote:Alán García has inflamed matters further by being quoted as saying publicly that the indigenous people are "not first-class citizens", when one of their complaints is that they are treated as second-class citizens.
Penta wrote:coldharvest wrote:President Alan Garcia is a shit-stain.
Indeed he is.
And here's something you're unlikely to read much about in the Western press, I fear (imagine if it had been Chávez or Evo)
You even started the thread with this:Peru: Battles over exploitation of indigenous lands
(my italics). Begging the question in the title alone - you KNOW it is.
If all this isn't commenting, what is?
flipflop wrote:How would I describe it? I wouldn't call it "exploitation" unless I knew for sure that's what it was.
"Shit, I can't know for sure, if it is exploitation then it's not good (I would think this if I was a caring logical person, I certainly am fucking not caring, but for the sake of argument let's assume I am). If it isn't exploitation then it's bad there's fighting here, but progress is progress. But, until I know for sure I won't let my prejudice make my decision for me. I will use my brain and reason to withold judgement until such times as I think there's more than sufficient evidence, and having listened objectively to opinion either side of the dispute, to make a decision either way."
Assertion: "Peru: Battles over exploitation of indigenous lands"
Begs the question: "Are indigenous lands really being exploited in Peru?"
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