Peru: Battles over exploitation of indigenous lands

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Re: Peru: Battles over exploitation of indigenous lands

Postby Penta » Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:04 am

"You may very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment." ;)
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Re: Peru: Battles over exploitation of indigenous lands

Postby nowonmai » Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:44 am

This is a bit like whales. I quite like them and would rather they weren't killed but my dislike for the anti-campaigners cancels it out to such a degree that I find myself rooting for the guy on the prow with a harpoon even though if I could torpedo him I would.
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Re: Peru: Battles over exploitation of indigenous lands

Postby flipflop » Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:49 am

Bang to rights, mate, bang to rights


Argument by repetition - if you say it long and loud enough people might listen. That's ok if what you're saying is based in reality, sadly yours isn't.

I'm still waiting out on your "facts" (them dictionary definition ones), spin it all you like, you've body-swerved more in this thread than Maradona with six grammes of coke up his snout. One minute you're equivocating, next you're saying you're only joking, then it's accusing me of ad hominem because I'm expected to take your authority and honesty on the reporting of this incident. And I'm the fucking arrogant one? And then you go on to ad hominem mode yourself numerous times.

You're incoherent, if it was certain other posters pointing this stuff out you'd be sucking cock by now - but it's me, you've rather have a white-hot poker rammed right up your ricker than take any advice off me - fine, you're still gonna get it until you wise up to the fact you're one lying, deceitful sack of shit. I'm all over you, and always will be, don't you forget it

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Re: Peru: Battles over exploitation of indigenous lands

Postby Penta » Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:54 am

flipflop wrote:Anyone reading this thread can see the truth for themselves.

Precisely.

And I do think you're one stupid cunt, for what it's worth

And we're right back where we started.
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Re: Peru: Battles over exploitation of indigenous lands

Postby coldharvest » Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:56 am

nowonmai wrote:This is a bit like whales. I quite like them and would rather they weren't killed but my dislike for the anti-campaigners cancels it out to such a degree that I find myself rooting for the guy on the prow with a harpoon even though if I could torpedo him I would.

this is why I follow your uttering like you are some sort of Mistah Kurtz.
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Re: Peru: Battles over exploitation of indigenous lands

Postby Jäeger » Tue Jun 16, 2009 11:09 am

coldharvest:
The important thing to remember in this thread is that greedy new-world spics want to fuck over forest niggers who are
fighting for the lungs of the world not to be destroyed by horrible fucks.
The horrible fucks are wrong and the bone in the nose crowd is right.


Absolutely, 100% correct. The indians are in the right here, and it's a pity that they'll probably get fucked over once again.
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Re: Peru: Battles over exploitation of indigenous lands

Postby flipflop » Tue Jun 16, 2009 11:12 am

Penta wrote:You failed to notice either that this was carefully phrased as a hypothetical: "a government", not "the government" or "the Peruvian government" or even "the shit-stain"; "people's", not "these people's", not "indigenous people's", not sweet unspoilt Amazonian Indians in a romantic state of nature with their cool headgear and spears.


Nice try. It might have been a hypothetical in construction, but it didn't fall out of a blue sky, it was loaded in the context of this thread. You poisoned the well too, any answer I would have given directly regarding it would have meant I accepted the presupposition in the question, which was loaded. It was a hypothetical sat among the rest of your rhetorical smokescreening prior to positing it. Still loaded any way you want to look at it.

BTW any news yet on the government views on your Spanish googling you promised us?

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Re: Peru: Battles over exploitation of indigenous lands

Postby Woodsman » Tue Jun 16, 2009 11:44 am

Hash it out in bed already! - or on the kitchen table.
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Re: Peru: Battles over exploitation of indigenous lands

Postby flipflop » Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:02 pm

Woodsman wrote:Hash it out in bed already! - or on the kitchen table.


Yeuch, would you hump an old grannie?

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Re: Peru: Battles over exploitation of indigenous lands

Postby Penta » Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:38 pm

BTW any news yet on the government views on your Spanish googling you promised us?

I promised nothing. You said you "looked forward to" it. If you want to know more, you may just have to learn Spanish or get a decent translation programme. If you asked very nicely, maybe friendlyskies would find out for you. Or Expat.

I'm more interested in people's opinions on the original story I posted, and was very pleased that Woodsman, coldharvest and Jaeger were prepared to give theirs. They "aren't worth a fuck" to you, so you can bugger off now.
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Re: Peru: Battles over exploitation of indigenous lands

Postby Penta » Tue Jun 16, 2009 5:21 pm

On the main story, the government has had to retreat. The prime minister, Simon, had a 4-hour meeting yesterday with indigenous leaders, where he apologised, promised to ask congress to repeal 2 of the contentious decrees, that a National Coordination Group for the Development of Amazonian Towns will be established (today), to include indigenous representatives, which will discuss the other 4 contentious decrees (there's also a contentious water law; I don't know if it's up for discussion or not), "develop a joint agenda with native people, in order to prevent a depredation of the Amazon rain forest" and "establish mechanisms for consultation to promote a concerted policy". He also promised that the government will lift the state of emergency in Bagua.

The Amazonians are pleased at progress but not yet satisfied, and haven't yet agreed to remove the road and river blocks. They've also called a national day of action on 24 June. One indigenous organisation has called for Simon's resignation, and has today said he will resign in the next few weeks, when it's all calmed down.

As for the shit-stain himself, or Twobreakfasts as my favourite Peru blog calls him, nothing new that I can see.
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Re: Peru: Battles over exploitation of indigenous lands

Postby flipflop » Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:44 am

Penta wrote:
I'm more interested in people's opinions on the original story I posted, and was very pleased that Woodsman, coldharvest and Jaeger were prepared to give theirs. They "aren't worth a fuck" to you, so you can bugger off now.


In the search for the truth about the closure of this radio station, and the supposed poor treatment of these rural Peruvians at the hands of their government, they aren't worth a fuck to anyone, not just me. Good effort at team-building on your part, you always were one who seeks approval of the herd, that's probably because you're not as sure as you used to be about peddling your verbal diaorrhea agitprop. I'm not interested, facts give me comfort.

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Re: Peru: Battles over exploitation of indigenous lands

Postby flipflop » Thu Jun 18, 2009 3:25 am

Penta wrote:On the main story, the government has had to retreat.


So, perhaps the shit-stain is magnaminous after all. "has had to retreat" - that's a funny way of putting it, a tad unfair no? If it was Hugo Chavez you wouldn't call it that. I can't recall Hitler backing down to anyone, or Chavez. Well done Sir, good show. Statesman-like.

The prime minister, Simon, had a 4-hour meeting yesterday with indigenous leaders, where he apologised, promised to ask congress to repeal 2 of the contentious decrees, that a National Coordination Group for the Development of Amazonian Towns will be established (today), to include indigenous representatives, which will discuss the other 4 contentious decrees (there's also a contentious water law; I don't know if it's up for discussion or not), "develop a joint agenda with native people, in order to prevent a depredation of the Amazon rain forest" and "establish mechanisms for consultation to promote a concerted policy". He also promised that the government will lift the state of emergency in Bagua.


Sounds fair enough to me, again, hardly Hitlerian. Penta's loaded question - "Do you think a government is justified in selling off rights to the subsoil of people's land without consulting them properly?" - doesn't sit so well now with "The prime minister, Simon, had a 4-hour meeting yesterday with indigenous leaders, where he apologised, promised to ask congress to repeal 2 of the contentious decrees"

Could you imagine Stalin "apologising"? Hugo Chavez "apologising"? I think Penta has been guilty of over-egging a little local difficulty.

The Amazonians are pleased at progress but not yet satisfied, and haven't yet agreed to remove the road and river blocks. They've also called a national day of action on 24 June. One indigenous organisation has called for Simon's resignation, and has today said he will resign in the next few weeks, when it's all calmed down.


Stand down? How can a tyrant stand down? Very un-tyrannical behaviour. The locals are "pleased at progress"? How civilised it now all looks once a few facts emerge. God, I love a succintly put little fact or two. The shades of grey (which were always there) slowly descend on the rabid black and white ranting of the BFC's cock-eyed Gucci socialist.

As for the shit-stain himself, or Twobreakfasts as my favourite Peru blog calls him, nothing new that I can see.


Apart from the fact that he has negotiated with the Indians, lifted the state of emergency, has his PM standing down over the affair, and looks in comparison to a certain near-neighbour to be a reasonable chap after all. All you have on him now, reading your last sentence, is the manner of how he dispatches his early morning victuals? Oooh, you've got him there, he must be nasty if he's fat, I see Hugo's auditioning as a buff male erotic dancer on "Banana Republic Communist Dictatorship's Got Talent" - he'll win it too, what he says goes after all; not for him the lily-livered attempts at tyranny displayed by the Peruvian President, chubby lips is the real deal. Good for Twobreakfasts.

Here's your new epithet for the blogosphere - Stupidcunt

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Re: Peru: Battles over exploitation of indigenous lands

Postby Woodsman » Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:02 pm

flipflop wrote:
Woodsman wrote:Hash it out in bed already! - or on the kitchen table.


Yeuch, would you hump an old grannie?

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Re: Peru: Battles over exploitation of indigenous lands

Postby flipflop » Fri Jun 19, 2009 8:03 am

Woodsman wrote:
flipflop wrote:
Woodsman wrote:Hash it out in bed already! - or on the kitchen table.


Yeuch, would you hump an old grannie?

Cheers


Sure - why not - who is gonna stay young their whole life?


Are you crazy? I have a sassy, bright and beautiful wife aged 29, why would I even think of throwing a leg over a saggy-titted, washed up, geriatric fag-ash Lilly, who smokes 40 Bensons a day? Can you imagine what state her teeth and breath must be in? Fuck me, behave yourself.

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