JCall: European Jewish Call for Reason

[Jäeger]

You realise,I'm sure, Jaeger, that well over half of your far too occasional posts are addressed to or about me: why don't you give it a rest, and give us the benefit of your wit and wisdom on other topics?

Nope, never paid it much mind. Did you do a statistical analysis of my posts or something? Totally non-narcissistic and wierd that. Why don't you use your time and effort to determine what percentage of your own far too frequent posts are just repetitions of the same bullshit agitprop over and over again and give that a rest, rather than thinking that the same tired old bullshit suddenly gains some credibility because some jews or political "pundit" said it. Like I said, broken record.

[Penta]

Nope, never paid it much mind. Did you do a statistical analysis of my posts or something? Totally non-narcissistic and wierd that.

Not exactly. That would be far too complicated and logical for my small brain. I know you're not very au fait with how this set-up works, but the other day I was trying to find something you'd written so I could quote you accurately back to yourself and I pulled up your recent posts. (Not a major undertaking: I can tell you how, Mr Brainbox, if you haven't worked it out for yourself.) And there was a whole row of them beginning "penta:". So then I skimmed a couple of pages of them, and there wasn't much else. Which is a pity, and was my point.

rather than thinking that the same tired old bullshit suddenly gains some credibility because some jews or political "pundit" said it.

and earlier in the thread:

These anti-Israel folks are jews so they're safe from accusations of anti-semitism thereby totally proving penta's point about the kikes and making things totally clear with the use of pentalogic.

That, sir, was your assumption. And as so often, it was wrong. These "anti-Israel folks" as you call them are actually pro-Israel folks. And their document doesn't match my views anyway. But I do think it's significant, and part of a growing movement in Europe that I have commented on before, to general ridicule. So to that extent, it's in the way of evidence for assertions I have made - something you're always claiming I fail to produce. So instead of laying into me about it (and taking the opportunity to throw in some gratuitous insults about my supposed hatefulness), you might - if you wanted to demonstrate how reasonable you are - have welcomed it.

There can be no nuance or debate

There could be, if you were prepared to see it, rather than view everything I post through the blinkers of your preconceptions.

[Jäeger]

But I do think it's significant, and part of a growing movement in Europe that I have commented on before, to general ridicule. So to that extent, it's in the way of evidence for assertions I have made - something you're always claiming I fail to produce.

So, an internet petition with 7 thousand "virtual signatures" allegedly from Euopean jews (How do they verify that anyway) signifies a "growing movement"?

You're more out of touch with reality than I thought. It's the equivalent of posting a "Negroes for the KKK" website or one for the aforementioned "Palestinian Zionists" as evidence of a "growing movement".

So instead of laying into me about it (and taking the opportunity to throw in some gratuitous insults about my supposed hatefulness),

I don't suppose anything, I'm about as epistemologically sure of your hatefullness as I am of gravity.

There can be no nuance or debate

There could be, if you were prepared to see it, rather than view everything I post through the blinkers of your preconceptions.

Pretty rich coming from the person who has driven off more interesting and debatable persons than I can care to count. There's only one fool blinkered by her own hypocritical "new left" preconceptions and it ain't ths guy. Your defending this puff piece of a propaganda post so stubbornly is evidence enough of that.

[Penta]

It's the equivalent of posting a "Negroes for the KKK" website

Oh, I get it. This is a little test of critical thinking, to see if I can identify a totally absurd analogy. It would only work if it was Palestinians applying Jim Crow laws, doing the oppressing, segregating and lynching, not Israelis, with some of the settlers playing the KKK role. Or if these European Jews were actually Palestinians, urging the Israeli state to come down harder on them.

These people pointing out the dangers of the occupation and growth of West Bank settlements and asking politicians to step up the pressure for an urgent resolution of the conflict for Israel's sake are more like white Americans active in the civil rights movement, or white South Africans abroad active in the anti-apartheid movement than "Negroes for the KKK". Plenty more European Jews are voicing their concerns after the flotilla affair, just as more started speaking up after the invasion of Lebanon in 2006, and the assault on Gaza in 2008-9. These things have a cumulative effect.

I don't suppose anything, I'm about as epistemologically sure of your hatefullness as I am of gravity.

More closely analogous to being sure of the essential goodness of god, I'd say, given the evidence. (Though at least we both know I actually exist.)

Pretty rich coming from the person who has driven off more interesting and debatable persons than I can care to count.

Come on, you'll be blaming me for the absence of Rob Krott next (and for the record, he'd long gone before I ever set virtual foot in the place). Of the posters you used to like debating with, as far as I remember, flipflop, coldharvest, redharen, Ultra Swain, marie-angelique, Vincent, Farmdog, kilroy, seektravelinfo, Woodsman, friendlyskies, Tarkan, Bobby Sands, Q, among others, all either never left or have come back. Even nowonmai has put in an appearance, which I didn't expect. Yes, I miss ROB, Stiv and dim too, and to the extent that I was or may have been partly or wholly responsible for their leaving, then I'm sorry, as you know, and have been trying to make amends. I hope one day they will come back (if they haven't already, under different names - and clearly some of the "new" posters are familiar enough with the board and its members to be old hands).

Who else of these so numerous "interesting and debatable persons" could you list if you did "care to count"? Are you really missing denise? Jefe and Jumper, perhaps, as you seem to have a particular affinity for these gung-ho military types.

Still, I'd better not distract you further from following my suggestion (excellent! More, please) that you start engaging in other topics with people you like debating with, rather than wasting your time with me.

[Jäeger]

Oh, I get it. This is a little test of critical thinking, to see if I can identify a totally absurd analogy. It would only work if it was Palestinians applying Jim Crow laws, doing the oppressing, segregating and lynching, not Israelis, with some of the settlers playing the KKK role. Or if these European Jews were actually Palestinians, urging the Israeli state to come down harder on them.

You couldn't identify a point if it slapped you upside the head and you take any opportunity to present the same old bullshit over and over again. Substitute a website called "Moldovan Porn Stars for Abstinence Education" with 7000 "virtual signatures" and the point still stands. It's still not indicative of any "growing movement" nor does being a Moldovan Porn Star somehow make the advocacy for abstinence education more significant. This is just another criticism of the Israeli government (which is fair enough ifit's informed and has some practical purpose) that you use in an attempt to somehow vindicate your own weak and ridiculous position. It doesn't work any better than your appeals to "authority", with the "authority" being some political hack or blogger. Grow up.

As for the rest, you are the poster who had the audacity to compare your getting shown up in debate on the BFC to virtual "sexual assault" or domestic violence. Not only was this comparison insulting to real victims of these crimes who don't have an ignore option or the ability to just disengage, it was also a stupid drama queen ploy for attention and accomplished nothing but to harsh everyone's mellow on the board. You go on and on about "thuggery" winning and how you're so put upon here to the point of feeling "assaulted" yet you come back again and again for more. This leads me to believe you are bullshitting us in a ploy for attention or that you are a masochist. Either way you'd probably be well served by fucking off or trying to screw your head on straight. This same bullshit over and over is getting very old.

[Penta]

You couldn't identify a point if it slapped you upside the head

I know what your point was, and though I don't agree with it, I'd have been willing to leave it at that, without all the gratuitous ad hominem stuff. But it was a lousy analogy.

harsh everyone's mellow on the board

Yes, it did. I apologised and did my best to kiss it better. And it is, slowly but surely, getting better.

You go on and on about "thuggery" winning

Wrong tense, mate. That was 6 months ago. It's you who keeps going on about it, not me. Time to move on and make the best of what we have now: which I see you're at last willing to give a go at in other respects. The more you keep dredging it up, the more there'll be of these tedious batting backwards and forwards of insults that everyone else is so tired of too. As you say:

This same bullshit over and over is getting very old.

[Jäeger]

I know what your point was, and though I don't agree with it, I'd have been willing to leave it at that, without all the gratuitous ad hominem stuff. .

Obviously you didn't know what my point was, let alone to decide whether you agree with it or not. And there is no ad hominem, I just call it like I see it.

But it was a lousy analogy

Because It wasn't an analogy. It is the same as my friend fast Eddie Rendell saying in response to the 1000 teabaggers in Washington DC that he could raise 100.000 in the same spot for laws banning puppy mills. It does not mean that puppy mills and teabaggers are inferentially related in any way.

Yes, it did. I apologised and did my best to kiss it better. And it is, slowly but surely, getting better.

You have an interesting definition of "better", and you in particular are doing nothing to make it better. It's the same tired old arguments, the same lack of logic, the same deflection and misdirection and the same personal attacks when you're shown to be wrong. Dropping the constant negativity, agitprop and smug self-satisfaction would go a lot further than a half ass apology.

And who you should really be apolgising to is the victims of real sexual assault and domestic violence for comparing your "virtual" victim act to their very real plight. That shit was uncalled for and not easily forgotten.

The more you keep dredging it up, the more there'll be of these tedious batting backwards and forwards of insults that everyone else is so tired of too.

What I'm "dredging up" is evidence that you are quite a stubborn, self-centred and hateful poster who is still following her typical pattern and still can't admit when she's wrong in the present tense. There is no "battling", because you don't pack the gear to give "battle". You just try to twist and turn and deflect and garner sympathy as a "victim". Get over yourself.

[Penta]

the same personal attacks

That's very rich indeed, and in a post with yet more of yours against me. I made gentle fun of your penchant for using insulting ethnic epithets and said
you can be pretty cruel. The latter born out by this mean response to a very conciliatory one from me.

[Jäeger]

Nothing mean about it, I calls 'em like I sees 'em. And when I say that you are an untrustworthy, stubborn and hateful poster who can't bear to be wrong or concede a point without trying to misdirect, deflect and turn things back on anybody who calls you out, this thread is all I need to point to. I don't care how "conciliatory" you want to be because I speak truth here and have nothing to apologise for to you. If anybody owes any apologies it's you lady.

You may have some folks fooled by your damsel in distress routine and cowed by your penchant for implied threats, but it ain't going to work on this guy. You are not only a hateful poster but a weird and obsessive one.

[rickshaw92]

Fook off, both of ya.

[coldharvest]

You may have some folks fooled by your damsel in distress routine and cowed by your penchant for implied threats, but it ain't going to work on this guy. You are not only a hateful poster but a weird and obsessive one.

...with not a thing to add to our knowledge of the world from a DP perspective.

[Fansy]

you guys are serisouly gay

[coldharvest]

you guys are serisouly gay

...are you asking me out?

[Jäeger]

He'll buy your groceries if you say yes.

[coldharvest]

He'll buy your groceries if you say yes.

Oh I don't know, I eat a lot of groceries my friend.