The trouble with bees

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The trouble with bees

Postby Penta » Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:49 pm

It looks as if it is related to insecticide use after all:
http://www.independent.co.uk/environmen ... 89267.html
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Re: The trouble with bees

Postby Caliban » Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:14 pm

Fuck me they should do something about that right now. Forget the bullshit potential of climate change or the hadron collider, this is probably the biggest real threat to human survival that we are undergoing.....not that a humanless world would necessarily be a bad thing for old mother nature, who would of course reinvent something just like the bee once we were gone. But fuck me lets bin the insecticde and stay around just a little bit longer.
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Re: The trouble with bees

Postby Penta » Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:49 pm

I agree. It's such a serious problem that if scientists are pretty sure they have a good idea what's at the root of it, it is beyond criminal for our governments to be so pusillanimous that they can't draw the line with the big pharma companies for once.
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Re: The trouble with bees

Postby Woodsman » Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:45 pm

The loss of bee populations are a huge threat to the human race.

There is another (in my opinion, greater) threat to the human race and that is bio-engineered produce. If humans didn't err, it would not be a big deal, because the Science is pretty damned incredible, but the fact is they do err and these seeds have gone astray.

Each issue is a potential cause for the very same effect: Failure of commercial vegetable crops.

From our perspective over here, honey bees are not indigenous to the U.S., but the crops we grow here for food are also not indigenous, and many of them do require bees for pollination. The chemicals used in the production of these crops kill the bees, so there is a basic lesson in Ecology and what happens when one of the systems is broken.

Messing with genomes is messing with Ecology as well - and when Corn plants specifically bio-engineered to grow high yields only with the presence of significant fertilizers and pesticides start interbreeding with heirloom selections that do well just on the natural soils anyone should be able to guess the logical conclusion - and it's already started to happen.

There are quite a few companies in multiple countries doing research and work with molecular genetics, but we all know who the big bully on the international neighborhood is: Monsanto. They were just voted the most evil corporation for 2010 recently on a natural health website.

If you find yourself having some time, I suggest you watch this video (about Monsanto):

http://www.truththeory.org/the-world-according-to-monsanto/

As for the bees, well this has been a serious problem for some time -

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070422190612.htm

...and it has been theorized that the problem was pesticides all along - As typical, corporations deny it so they can continue to sell their poisons to the farmers so they will "need" it. There was a show regarding the bee populations on 60 minutes a few years ago - and one commercial beekeeper comes to mind since he was on the show... Such a pity.


MEANWHILE, Another problem with honeybees is building - and in this case it's Africanized honey bees - their populations are growing like crazy in the Southwestern portions of the U.S. They produce a great deal more honey than the European varieties, but the cost is a significantly more aggressive hive that will sting an intruder until it runs a long distance away from the hive or it dies. These are nothing to mess with. This is yet another man-made problem with humans continuing to muck with mother nature.

There are so many problems with the Ecology out there (mostly due to the introduction of non-indigenous species), it would shock the average layperson to understand just how fucked up the system is.

Hitoru knows, Michael knows and I know - I'm sure there are others that know too, but I would expect it is hard to understand the extent of how many problems humans are creating for themselves through ignorance and/or greed unless it's your business to know about such things.

It's a shame - but the growing human population problem will self-check soon through (mostly) these causes in my opinion.

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Re: The trouble with bees

Postby Naveen » Sat Jan 22, 2011 1:38 am

Bayer's long-term strategy:

1.Sell pesticides
2.Kill bees
3.Destroy pollination cycle
4.??????
5. PROFIT! No, wait...
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Re: The trouble with bees

Postby lok8 » Thu Jan 27, 2011 2:54 am

Naveen wrote:1.Sell pesticides
2.Kill bees
3.Destroy pollination cycle
4.??????
5. PROFIT! No, wait...
Bayer's long-term strategy:

1.Sell pesticides
2.Kill bees
3.Destroy pollination cycle
4.??????
5. PROFIT! No, wait...


the doomsday seed vault? The bio engineering is really starting to get out of hand.

Funny how the side effects got side tracked even when the proof shows the shit specifically kills
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Re: The trouble with bees

Postby Kurt » Fri Jan 28, 2011 9:27 pm

Penta wrote:It looks as if it is related to insecticide use after all:
http://www.independent.co.uk/environmen ... 89267.html


If you read the headline it says "May" and not "is".

One of those things that is worth looking for every possible angle since this could be serious but nothing definate about colony collapse disorder..just "may".

But if I were a beekeeper I would really hope no one used that stuff...just to be on the safe side.
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Re: The trouble with bees

Postby Woodsman » Fri Jan 28, 2011 10:54 pm

Well that's just it isn't it? Crazy humans doing crazy things to the world that "may" affect the entire world, destroying it all for a garage full of Porsches. Damn. What. A. Shame.

If we're gonna err, let's err on the side of caution.

Using poison substances to grow food isn't very intelligent

Yet ~80% or more of the produce is grown that way.

Sure doesn't seem like a plan for supporting life on Earth to me.

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Penta wrote:It looks as if it is related to insecticide use after all:
http://www.independent.co.uk/environmen ... 89267.html


If you read the headline it says "May" and not "is".

One of those things that is worth looking for every possible angle since this could be serious but nothing definate about colony collapse disorder..just "may".

But if I were a beekeeper I would really hope no one used that stuff...just to be on the safe side.
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Re: The trouble with bees

Postby Texas Carnie Roadshow » Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:26 am

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Re: The trouble with bees

Postby flipflop » Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:50 am

Dry your fucking eyes hippies

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Re: The trouble with bees

Postby rickshaw92 » Sun Feb 20, 2011 11:25 am

flipflop wrote:Dry your fucking eyes hippies

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Re: The trouble with bees

Postby coldharvest » Sun Feb 20, 2011 1:56 pm

I know the law. And I have spent my entire life in its flagrant disregard.
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Re: The trouble with bees

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