Himalayan glaciers not melting because of climate change

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Himalayan glaciers not melting because of climate change

Postby coldharvest » Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:13 am

Himalayan glaciers not melting because of climate change, report finds
Himalayan glaciers are actually advancing rather than retreating, claims the first major study since a controversial UN report said they would be melted within quarter of a century.


Researchers have discovered that contrary to popular belief half of the ice flows in the Karakoram range of the mountains are actually growing rather than shrinking.

The discovery adds a new twist to the row over whether global warming is causing the world's highest mountain range to lose its ice cover.

It further challenges claims made in a 2007 report by the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change that the glaciers would be gone by 2035.

Although the head of the panel Dr Rajendra Pachauri later admitted the claim was an error gleaned from unchecked research, he maintained that global warming was melting the glaciers at "a rapid rate", threatening floods throughout north India.

The new study by scientists at the Universities of California and Potsdam has found that half of the glaciers in the Karakoram range, in the northwestern Himlaya, are in fact advancing and that global warming is not the deciding factor in whether a glacier survives or melts.

Dr Bodo Bookhagen, Dirk Scherler and Manfred Strecker studied 286 glaciers between the Hindu Kush on the Afghan-Pakistan border to Bhutan, taking in six areas.

Their report, published in the journal Nature Geoscience, found the key factor affecting their advance or retreat is the amount of debris – rocks and mud – strewn on their surface, not the general nature of climate change.

Glaciers surrounded by high mountains and covered with more than two centimetres of debris are protected from melting.

Debris-covered glaciers are common in the rugged central Himalaya, but they are almost absent in subdued landscapes on the Tibetan Plateau, where retreat rates are higher.

In contrast, more than 50 per cent of observed glaciers in the Karakoram region in the northwestern Himalaya are advancing or stable.

"Our study shows that there is no uniform response of Himalayan glaciers to climate change and highlights the importance of debris cover for understanding glacier retreat, an effect that has so far been neglected in predictions of future water availability or global sea level," the authors concluded.

Dr Bookhagen said their report had shown "there is no stereotypical Himalayan glacier" in contrast to the UN's climate change report which, he said, "lumps all Himalayan glaciers together."

Dr Pachauri, head of the Nobel prize-winning UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, has remained silent on the matter since he was forced to admit his report's claim that the Himalayan glaciers would melt by 2035 was an error and had not been sourced from a peer-reviewed scientific journal. It came from a World Wildlife Fund report.

He angered India's environment minister and the country's leading glaciologist when he attacked those who questioned his claim as purveyors of "voodoo science".

The environment Minister Jairam Ramesh had cited research indicating some Himalayan glaciers were advancing in the face of the UN's claim.
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Re: Himalayan glaciers not melting because of climate change

Postby Michael » Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:50 pm

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Re: Himalayan glaciers not melting because of climate change

Postby Kurt » Fri Jan 28, 2011 9:23 pm

The ice on Rainer has been growing.

That is one place where we do not want to be covered in ice since it could easily create the worst Lahars seen in modern history when it erupts.

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Re: Himalayan glaciers not melting because of climate change

Postby Woodsman » Fri Jan 28, 2011 10:56 pm

It's been nice knowing you, Coldharvest.

The bilderberg group is on its way to silence you and your logic.

May I suggest a shotgun-trigger-pulley-doorknob arrangement for your uninvited guests?

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Re: Himalayan glaciers not melting because of climate change

Postby Sri Lanky » Sat Jan 29, 2011 10:56 pm

Apparently these anomalies,like more cold and snow in the US northeast,have something to do with there being more snow in Siberia. So it still boils down to global warming....which is generating warmer temps and consequently more snowfall in Siberia. Also the snowfall in the Dakotas and Minnesota has increased significantly in the last decade.
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Re: Himalayan glaciers not melting because of climate change

Postby Fenrisco » Wed Feb 02, 2011 2:31 am

Woodsman wrote:The bilderberg group is on its way to silence you and your logic.


CH has nothing to fear from the Bilderbergers (in this case, at least):

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100055500/global-cooling-and-the-new-world-order/
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Re: Himalayan glaciers not melting because of climate change

Postby Caliban » Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:55 am

Fenrisco wrote:
Woodsman wrote:The bilderberg group is on its way to silence you and your logic.


CH has nothing to fear from the Bilderbergers (in this case, at least):

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100055500/global-cooling-and-the-new-world-order/



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Re: Himalayan glaciers not melting because of climate change

Postby Penta » Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:14 pm

You did? Is there something you're not telling us? Sitges has been the gay hangout for decades.
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Re: Himalayan glaciers not melting because of climate change

Postby Woodsman » Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:55 pm

Fenrisco wrote:
Woodsman wrote:The bilderberg group is on its way to silence you and your logic.


CH has nothing to fear from the Bilderbergers (in this case, at least):

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100055500/global-cooling-and-the-new-world-order/



Hence the ";-)"
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Re: Himalayan glaciers not melting because of climate change

Postby Caliban » Tue Feb 08, 2011 2:43 am

Penta wrote:You did? Is there something you're not telling us? Sitges has been the gay hangout for decades.


It was over 46 years ago. I was eight. Gays did not exist in those days, only confirmed batchelors who toured the Morocan harbour resorts. Gay meant being happy to be on holiday, in the sunshine, with your mum and dad.
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