From hindu website: a View of Islam

[Shining Eye]

What if the Muslims win the Third (3rd) World War?
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Before we get down to this subject let us make it clear that we are opposed to all forms of fanaticism - religious or otherwise. While all fanaticism is negative; fanaticism that is based on religion is the most virulent and among the fanatics of various religions, the Muslims are the most violent and cruel.

So, in our opinion, even the Hindu fanatics who want to ban the celebration of the New Year on the 1st of January every year, and those who vandalize Valentines Day Posters, are as retrograde as any other fanatics. The Christian fanatics who insist that we make peace with the ONE god - Christ are also equally retrograde.

But the point is that Hindu fanatics and Christian fanatics are exceptions rather than the rule. This is not so with the Muslims, they are fanatical as a rule; and only by exception are they otherwise. This is one reason why we focus on Muslims.

The second and more impelling reason to focus on Muslims is that they are psychologically the most organized worldwide into one community 'Ummah'. Again it is they who are day-by-day becoming a threat to world peace. Hence we look at the scenario in the event of the remote possibility of an Islamic victory over the rest of the world in an unfortunate but probable Third World War.

In this scenario people all across the world would be given a choice of submitting to Islam or be treated as second class citizens (by wearing a badge to identify themselves as non-Muslims as is being done today in that "ideal" Islamic society of Taliban ruled Afghanistan). In addition they would have to pay the penal tax (Jaziya) to the Muslim rulers. The honour of their womenfolk would always be in danger of being violated by the Mujahideen and Ghazis (Islamic warriors). The lives of non-Muslims would always be in peril and at the mercy of the whims of the Muslim rulers, who would have a perpetual and perennial hatred of the non-Muslims.

In addition to this day-to-day real-life scenario, in the regular cases of the waves of more acute fanaticism that would sweep the world ruled only by Muslims; the non-Muslims would be given the choice of embracing Islam or be killed by the more zealous among the fanatical Muslim rulers of the globe. This possibility is based on the experiences gained in India under Muslim rule and from other parts of the globe that came under the sway of the Islamic armies in the 14 centuries since the year 632 C.E.

On the contrary if, during the Islamic rule all across the globe, we gave up our religions (or lack of religion) and embraced Islam, the scenario would be like this:

1) Our role-models would be cruel war-mongers who would keep having bloody fights with each other even after the entire world population is converted to Islam.

This is based on the observed fact today that a majority of the Muslims (who take to the streets) across many countries, lionize and idolize extremists and war-mongers like Bin Laden but not progressive and constructive reformers like Ataturk, Nasser, Sadat, Hosni Mubarak, former King Amanullah of Afghanistan, etc.

2)We would be living in theocratic dictatorship all across the world. There would be no democracy, no elections and no public accountability for any act. The only arbiter would be the Quranic prescriptions for all times in the future.

This is so since today most of the Muslim majority countries cannot sustain democracies. Except Turkey, and Egypt, no Muslim majority country has a sustained democratic tradition. But most Muslim populations look up upon Islamic dictatorships or monarchies.

The list of such theocratic dictatorships would include Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Jordan (despotic monarchies), Syria, Iraq, Chad, (dictatorships) Iran (nominal democracy under strain from clerics), Kuwait (nominal democracy under emirate), UAE, North Yemen (and occupied South Yemen which had a sort of democratic set up earlier), Libya, Sudan, Tunisia, Algeria (Military rule of secularized military), Malaysia (civilian dictatorship of Mahathir Mohammed), Indonesia (fledgling democracy), Pakistan, Bangladesh (spells of democratic rule and military dictatorships), Central African Republic (kingdom of former "Emperor"; Bokassa), Uganda (a Christian majority country that had a taste of Islamic dictatorship under Idi Amin), Afghanistan (theocratic dictatorship of the Taliban), etc.

3) There would be ill-treatment of women, Women would not be allowed to have an education, pursue any career. Men would be forced to wear turbans and grow beards.

This possibility is based on the observation today that a majority of the Muslim countries do not give equal rights to women like education, free-movement, driving, apparel, and even participation in mass-prayers in the mosques alongside their menfolk, (no doubt the scripture will be quoted to explain this, but this is the reality). The hijab, Chador or burqua (veil and full length gown) for women is still a common feature in Islamic societies.

In the ideal Islamic society of Talibanized Afghnaistan adult men are forced to grow a beard and wear the prescribed Islamic dress, they cannot sport normal (Western) hairstyles and even students above the age of three are forced to wear turbans.


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4) We would have to send our kids to get the highly jaundiced and narrow scrap of education in religious schools that would teach only the Quran.

This is based on the observation today that a majority of the devout Muslims in the Islamic world prefer talim (religious education) in Madrasas (Muslim theological schools) as against professional education.

5) There would be no respect for human rights and no freedom of thought and expression. Anyone speaking out against Islam or the Quran or the Prophet would be punished with death. Flogging and stoning to death, cutting off of the limbs would be the prescribed punishments for common crimes like stealing.

This is based on the observation today that some leading and vocal Muslim organisations and some governments in power, practice the politics of fatwah (Muslim religious decree) of death towards those who express themselves against Islam. A Muslim who publicly declares that he is no longer a Muslim is considered a Murtad and he is punishable by death (although there are various interpretations of the Koran on this)

6) There would be no public media like the TV, Cable or Internet. Since these would be looked upon as the Satan's tools in corrupting humankind with information and entertainment.

This is based on the observation today when many Muslim sects frown upon mass communication media like the Television. In some instances, TV sets are dumped as an act of piety.

7) The Dictatorial Rulers all over the world would be Muslim Clergymen

This is based on the observation that most Muslims oppose the separation of the State and Clergy. Temporal power is vested in the clergy in most countries in Dar-Ool-Islam or the Islamic world.

8) All aspects of life would be regimented with what is stated in the Quran. There would be no evolution of new laws and in fact no new thoughts

This is based on the observation today where a majority of the Muslim countries prefer some variant of the Sharia i.e. Muslim laws based on the Quran, as against modern civil laws. The Sharia laws include stoning to death, cutting of limbs, castration, etc.

9) Even if you were a Muslim and belonged to a minority sect like the Shias or Ahmediyas, you would be considered to be an infidel or heretic and be subject to harassment.

This is based on the observation today where a majority of the Sunnis (a majority sect among the Muslims) look upon the Shias as heretics. So also are the other smaller Islamic sects.

10)There would be no scope at all for having any opinion, idea, innovation outside the Quran-al-sharif or anything that is considered non-islamic. This would in fact freeze all progress.

This is based on the observation today where most Muslims look upon anything non-islamic as Kufr and Jahiliyat (infidel, ignorance) and also the entire non-islamic world as Dar-ul-Harb (literally 'Hostile zone') or the Infidel world. And anything that even a Muslim chooses to do, which is frowned upon by the clergy, is considered as Haram (illegitimate).

11) There would be a complete ban on dance, music and entertainment.

This is based on the observation today where most devout Muslims spend all their spare time in reading the verses of the Quran and in Namaaz (mass invocation of Allah). Their minds are closed to anything outside the Quran. They live an insular life and shun socializing with non-Muslims. The Taliban rule in Afghanistan epitomizes what an "ideal" Islamic society the World over would look like.

12) Aggressive, quarrelsome attitudes would be a common feature of human behavior and social relations would be perpetually violent whether at the family level, local area level, province level, national level or global level. The crime rate would be high. The all Muslim world society would be perpetually at war with itself.

This is based on the observation today where most of the criminals (in non-Muslim countries) are Muslims. Muslims are also dominant in global terrorism. Even at the national level they (Iraq, Libya, etc) specialize in the making of chemical weapons of mass destruction. Soon the nuclear capability that is today limited to Pakistan will proliferate to the Arab and rest of the Muslim world and we shall soon see a mushrooming of small rogue states armed with nuclear capable missiles that would bedevil the rest of the non-Islamic world.

Even as organisations Islamic gangs would terrorize the world. Examples of such gangs are the Al Qaida, Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Muslim Brotherhood , Lashkar-e-Tayyaba, Harkat-ul-Mujahedeen, Hizb-ul-Mujahedeen, Jaish-e-Mohammedi, Abu Sayyaf, etc


Thus a victory for the Muslims over the rest would spell doomsday for humankind, it would mean the end of all technological progress. In fact, for the thinking species of Human beings, an Islamic victory would mean the end of meaningful human existence. A scenario, where we would still have our capability to think, to innovate and to progress; but we would not be allowed to use any of our human faculties. This would be even worse than the scenario had the Nazis won the 2nd World War.

This is the logical scenario in case of a victory for the Islamic Jehad over all non-Islamic people across the globe. In this scenario, the ultimate saviour of humanity would have to come forth from within Islam itself. A saviour who would repudiate Islam and re-establish a civilized human way of life.

But till then it would be a frightful existence under the twilight of Islam, with no hope for the future. It is for these reasons among others, why the rest of the world (including some modernized Muslims) look askance at the growing clout of the Muslim clergy over the Ummah i.e. the general Muslim populace. And the resultant growing disturbances that Muslims cause in areas where they live alongside non-Muslims - like Chechnya, Macedonia, Egypt (Coptic Christians), Southern Sudan, Ethiopia/Eritrea, Southern Philippines (Mindanao), Indonesia (Malaku), Kashmir (India), Israel, etc.


In fact even many modernized (non-Islamized) Muslims are scared to death to speak their mind about Islamic orthodoxy, even after having lived in the West for more than one generation.

But some time or the other one has to address these issues in the context of freedom of thought and action for a future liberal democratic society the world over; and in the larger context of saving human civilization from the mortal danger it faces today from the growing strength of Islamic Terrorism of JIHAD.

[crotalus01]

pretty biased article dont you think? and keep in mind there is absolutely no love lost between indians and muslims due to the dispute in Kashmir.

[Shining Eye]

Oh gee, I wonder why that is?

[Shining Eye]

Some corrections: The title of the thread is “From Hindu website: a View of Islam”
There is no mention of whether this is the truth or not, that is for the reader to decide. It offers another view of Islam—one that might no be influenced by our war on terrorism (oh, the irony). Its an attempt to see how other culture view Islam.

Your story about your father is an old propaganda yarn.
They said the same thing about the Vikings, and the Huns and Romans. The dehumanizing stories to make the enemy more justifiable to hate. The more ignorant Muslims in the world are being told the same things about American GI’s today, no doubt.
The item makes some valid points, if Muslims aren’t fighting and killing non-Muslims they are killing each other in the name of allah.

“you are a racist slimeball. please kill yourself and check out of the genepool.”

What more proof do I need, then a comment like that? Islam is incompatible to the values of a democratic America, with our freedom of religion and freedom of speech. See how intolerantly you react? Yet, plenty of anti-Christian, anti-Jewish and anti-American crap is posted on this website, without so much as a peep from you, soldier boy, defender of our Constitution. No, your not-so-secret agenda is quite clear. It would be of interest to the troops you supposedly “command,” that your sympathies lie not firstly with your country but with Islam.

I personally do not wish any harm on any Muslim, other than the scumbags who would behead innocent people, blow up women children and oldsters, or detonate car-bombs or IED’s around American convoys. That is the difference between the influences of Christianity and Islam.

[Jackson]

yea i read this before.. this is an old Hindu-extremist ranting that was written during the Taliban time.

Its a joke. It sounds like its written by a 3 year old. Basically everything in there is a lie and can easily be proven wrong. If a Muslim government were to rule the world (THATS IF).. i can assure you none of the things listed above would happen except the jizya (taxes.. which everyone pays anyway). actually some might prefer it as non-muslims in a muslim state are not required to serve in the army.. they pay the jizya. Muslims pay the zakah. One way or another, both are contributing to the state.

This article is propaganda bullshit. But shining eye I am glad you posted it because it demonstrates the stupidity of your argument. Actually, one might even say that this article is satire, as it mocks the hindu extremists for adopting such stupid baseless views on islam.


Thanks.

[haganah]

I agree with Jackson that all muslims suck and molest their children.

[haganah]

HAHAHAHAHAHA Harun, what palestinian has died unjustly since 1948? I defy you to name one. Dude, calm down. It's not my fault that Muslims do nasty things with their children.

[kilroy]

please be joking :(.

[Aegis]

HAHAHAHAHAHA Harun, what palestinian has died unjustly since 1948? I defy you to name one. Dude, calm down. It's not my fault that Muslims do nasty things with their children.

Dude, what the fuck is up with you lately?

Enjoying and justifying the murder of children? Thats fucking low.

[patriot]

Haganah is venturing into the nether regions of the TROLL!

[Shining Eye]

_Jacko_: The following certainly sound true to me:

This is based on the observed fact today that a majority of the Muslims (who take to the streets) across many countries, lionize and idolize extremists and war-mongers like Bin Laden but not progressive and constructive reformers like Ataturk, Nasser, Sadat, Hosni Mubarak, former King Amanullah of Afghanistan, etc.

The list of such theocratic dictatorships would include Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Jordan (despotic monarchies), Syria, Iraq, Chad, (dictatorships) Iran (nominal democracy under strain from clerics), Kuwait (nominal democracy under emirate), UAE, North Yemen (and occupied South Yemen which had a sort of democratic set up earlier), Libya, Sudan, Tunisia, Algeria (Military rule of secularized military), Malaysia (civilian dictatorship of Mahathir Mohammed), Indonesia (fledgling democracy), Pakistan, Bangladesh (spells of democratic rule and military dictatorships), Central African Republic (kingdom of former "Emperor"; Bokassa), Uganda (a Christian majority country that had a taste of Islamic dictatorship under Idi Amin), Afghanistan (theocratic dictatorship of the Taliban), etc.

Aggressive, quarrelsome attitudes would be a common feature of human behavior and social relations would be perpetually violent whether at the family level, local area level, province level, national level or global level. The crime rate would be high. The all Muslim world society would be perpetually at war with itself

Even as organisations Islamic gangs would terrorize the world. Examples of such gangs are the Al Qaida, Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Muslim Brotherhood , Lashkar-e-Tayyaba, Harkat-ul-Mujahedeen, Hizb-ul-Mujahedeen, Jaish-e-Mohammedi, Abu Sayyaf, etc


Harum Scarem:
“Throwing babies in the air and catching them on spears”
Cowboys:
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lo ... sland.html
Nazi’s:
http://www.zchor.org/bialystok/vered.htm
Romans:
http://www.eveninglight.org/LIES.htm
Vikings:
http://www.thesafetyvalve.com/archives/000213.html

Get a grip(and an education), Sir. That story is as old as dirt, and propaganda is no limited to one side. Teach your children well. Hahhahhahha!!!

[haganah]

I never said anything about killing children. I think I need to lay off the 'roids for awhile.

[Jackson]

_Jacko_: The following certainly sound true to me:

This is based on the observed fact today that a majority of the Muslims (who take to the streets) across many countries, lionize and idolize extremists and war-mongers like Bin Laden but not progressive and constructive reformers like Ataturk, Nasser, Sadat, Hosni Mubarak, former King Amanullah of Afghanistan, etc.

The list of such theocratic dictatorships would include Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Jordan (despotic monarchies), Syria, Iraq, Chad, (dictatorships) Iran (nominal democracy under strain from clerics), Kuwait (nominal democracy under emirate), UAE, North Yemen (and occupied South Yemen which had a sort of democratic set up earlier), Libya, Sudan, Tunisia, Algeria (Military rule of secularized military), Malaysia (civilian dictatorship of Mahathir Mohammed), Indonesia (fledgling democracy), Pakistan, Bangladesh (spells of democratic rule and military dictatorships), Central African Republic (kingdom of former "Emperor"; Bokassa), Uganda (a Christian majority country that had a taste of Islamic dictatorship under Idi Amin), Afghanistan (theocratic dictatorship of the Taliban), etc.

Aggressive, quarrelsome attitudes would be a common feature of human behavior and social relations would be perpetually violent whether at the family level, local area level, province level, national level or global level. The crime rate would be high. The all Muslim world society would be perpetually at war with itself

Even as organisations Islamic gangs would terrorize the world. Examples of such gangs are the Al Qaida, Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Muslim Brotherhood , Lashkar-e-Tayyaba, Harkat-ul-Mujahedeen, Hizb-ul-Mujahedeen, Jaish-e-Mohammedi, Abu Sayyaf, etc


Harum Scarem:
“Throwing babies in the air and catching them on spears”
Cowboys:
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lo ... sland.html
Nazi’s:
http://www.zchor.org/bialystok/vered.htm
Romans:
http://www.eveninglight.org/LIES.htm
Vikings:
http://www.thesafetyvalve.com/archives/000213.html

Get a grip(and an education), Sir. That story is as old as dirt, and propaganda is no limited to one side. Teach your children well. Hahhahhahha!!!

please, man.. if ur gonna debate.. do it right. i find it odd how you didnt quote the paragraph right before ur quote.. "This is so since today most of the Muslim majority countries cannot sustain democracies. Except Turkey, and Egypt, no Muslim majority country has a sustained democratic tradition. But most Muslim populations look up upon Islamic dictatorships or monarchies."
First off, Muslims do not support these theocratic dictatorships. These are western-propped governments. The majority of Muslims do not support them. Our FREEDOM LOVING government keeps these theocratic dictators in power. Turkey.. a democracy?? yea, thats why when the people WANT to get a little islamic the military has to put it in line... Egypt-corrupt, inefficient dictatorship posed as democracy.

They dismissed Indonesia as a "fledgling democracy". wat the fuk does that mean?? hah.. they're more democratic than india i'll tell you that.

so anyway shining eye.. i'll leave you to your hateful muslim speech. Just remember.. when we do take over the world.. YOUR ASS IS MINE.

haha, jk, dont cry.

[Shining Eye]

OK, I busted your myth wide open. The propaganda technique is to paint the enemy as a inhuman monster and "throwing babies into the air and catching them on spears" represents the most callous, evil thing a unfeeling inhuman monster can do to a helpless innocent. The imagery is to instill terror in children and women. Apparently, the impression stuck with you, hence your extreme reaction to the Hindu website. I see parallels here to the recent revival of the Muslim practice of beheading innocent, hand-cuffed(helpless as a baby) people. I also noted that in addition with your complete ignorance of this common propaganda technique and that particular old tale, you automatically reverted to the conditioned response of name-calling, and specifically calling me a "racist." This is very revealing. First, it means, that even though you are supposedly college educated, there are wide gaps in your knowledge base. No doubt a result of a sanitized, liberal/left/multi-culturalist PC education, that shuns European history and attempts to project a "world view." This has public education all over it, probably inner-city community college as well. Secondly, you went directly into a Pavlovian response in your rebuttal. You went right to name-calling and you referred to me as a "racist," even though this topic isn't in any way about race. A common ploy of the liberal/left/PC mindset. You won't be leading men into battle, will you?

_whacko Jacko_: you can't dismiss that website outright. They posted a lot of truth. Muslims are involved in 2/3 of the worlds current conflicts and Islam was spread by the sword. Americans have more in common with Hindu's than Muslims. I've never recalled hearing of hindu terrorist declaring Holy War on anybody. If given a choice, I would prefer to have a family of Hindu, Sihk's, Buddahist, Wiccans, pagans or Satanist living next door than I would Muslims.

[patriot]

Don't take it too personally Harun. Whiner's just afraid to admit he loves Arab dick. I bet if he ever met you he'd try to jump your bones, you are, afterall, his type...a Muslim in the military.