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Postby svizzerams » Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:50 pm

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Re: Official:Friendlyskies wrong on absolutely everything ev

Postby coldharvest » Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:55 pm

ROB wrote:lol - you guys crack me up.

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Re: Official:Friendlyskies wrong on absolutely everything ev

Postby friendlyskies » Fri Mar 14, 2014 12:08 am

Ugh. Well, sorry. I shouldn't troll. Not my specialty.

For what it's worth, I think Maduro jumped the shark a long time ago, and whether the CIA or other secret forces are involved or not, the guy is an idiot and bloodthirsty, and has screwed everything up irreparably… the Socialist Revolution in Venezuela is going down (at least for a spell) and once Capriles can get Lopez out of the loop (pretty easy at this point, thanks to his ill-advised surrender to federal forces, lol), they'll hold special elections and he'll take power fair and square. Well, there will be election irregularities, but I think he'll win, fair if not exactly square. The moderate left is over the massive pile of fail that is Maduro. And, Capriles will probably do an OK job, considering the nightmare he's about to inherit, since he's actually a center-left kind of guy in the middle of a huge wave of left-wing sentiment that has successfully swept Latin America over the last 10-15 years. He can't turn the Revolution entirely around without pissing off a lot of people, so he won't. Venezuela has enough problems without messing with, say, the health care setup. It's all about security at this point.

I also predict that Hillary will offer him some kind of "Plan Colombia" type of thing, which he will accept, hesitantly, because the country will have a hard time recovering from the Hugo years without totally selling out to Big Oil. And Capriles knows that if he privatized the oil wholesale, the divisive political situation would get worse, so his hands will sort of be tied on that end, as well. But accepting US money will be a screwup, too, politically if not on the ground, and give the ALBA folks an opening to get one of their guys (or gals) in later on.

There's my drama-free 2¢, and again, sorry about all that.
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Postby rickshaw92 » Fri Mar 14, 2014 1:59 am

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Re: Official:Friendlyskies wrong on absolutely everything ev

Postby seektravelinfo » Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:48 am

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You don't think I'm giving as good as I get, by calling out these soap-opera addicted psychopaths on their manipulative bullshit? Making fun of bizarre and worthless quest to ruin a once awesome forum, and turn it into their own private troll zone? I'd say I'm doing a fine job, and those pieces of shit are getting all squirmy and hilarious and defensive in my wake, which amuses me. Mission accomplished, imho. Venezuela isn't even in the the topic of this post, I am. Besides, nowonmai doesn't know dick about the country or the situation anyway, so why bother addressing his woefully simplistic cut-and-paste? So I can have some worthless, needlessly antagonistic loser, who hasn't been to a dangerous place since the early 1990s and has never been to Venezuela, call my expertise into question? Why bother? If I want to discuss the situation in Venezuela, I can talk to people who are in Venezuela right now, or people who have lived and worked there, and who speak Spanish…. like PENTA BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

(I can just feel nowonmai and flipflop trying sooo hard not to whine. "Oooooooh Penta's opinion doesn't count because weeeeee got her banned and sheeeeeee said something in August 2008 on this thread I'm going to dredge up riiiiiiiiiight now that was incorrect, just like on this thread from December 2006 where she was also incorrect, therefore waaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh how can ANYONE consider her knowledge on Venezuela, where she lived, where she has friends, which she visits regularly, where they speak a language in which she is fluent, superior to my opinion, based on one mediocre, uniformed cut-and-paste article from the top of a quick google search?")

And just to rub it in, flipflop and nowonmai, because I know you're struggling, PENTA PENTA PENTA PENTA PENTA hahahahahahaha

Anyway, I'm just irritated by the loss of my precious Black Flag Cafe and all the awesomeness that it once brought forth from the chaos of dangerous places and obscure politics, and how it's been reduced to a shadow of its former self by two worthless psychos. If someone wants to know about Central America, or Latin America, they can PM me. But until flipflop and nowonmai either shape up or fuck off, I plan to come back here for three purposes: To check and/or post on the jokes and entertain me threads, to write the occasional book review, and to call out flipflop and nowonmai on their bullshit. Don't like it? Ban me. I'll cry all the way to Reddit.


You don't have it in you to give as good as you get, you grandiose twit. While you're sitting there in high cotton boasting of the banning of Flipflop and Nowonmai and your expertise on Venezuela (I digress, once upon a time Friendlyskies cavorted around Central America & called herself a writer until her trust funds ran dry & she found some hapless Republican s.o.b. to knock her up and marry her ...... a man she doesn't even like for chrissakes, but for his healthy paycheck) who the fuck do you think you are to dictate that Flipflop and Nowonmai shape up or fuck off? Oh really, now?

Are you fucking kidding me? Did it occur to you that maybe others on here may enjoy their presence (guilty), even in all of their "misogynistic" glory? I tell you what, it's men like this that make the world go round, these men are soldiers. Respect.

Meanwhile, Svizzerams, what the hell are you thinking? Is it your goal to turn the BFC into some kind of NPR circle-jerk? I don't like this. At all. Seektravelinfo is not pleased.

And RYP, shame on you too. It appears that you are hiding behind apron strings of the women. If you don't reinstate these rude boys I invite you to Suck My Dick.
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Re: Official:Friendlyskies wrong on absolutely everything ev

Postby ROB » Fri Mar 14, 2014 3:01 am

coldharvest wrote:...if you even knew half the shit


To be honest, it's never meant that much to me. Guess I'm the odd guy out.
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Re: Official:Friendlyskies wrong on absolutely everything ev

Postby svizzerams » Fri Mar 14, 2014 3:29 am

seektravelinfo wrote:
friendlyskies wrote:
You don't think I'm giving as good as I get, by calling out these soap-opera addicted psychopaths on their manipulative bullshit? Making fun of bizarre and worthless quest to ruin a once awesome forum, and turn it into their own private troll zone? I'd say I'm doing a fine job, and those pieces of shit are getting all squirmy and hilarious and defensive in my wake, which amuses me. Mission accomplished, imho. Venezuela isn't even in the the topic of this post, I am. Besides, nowonmai doesn't know dick about the country or the situation anyway, so why bother addressing his woefully simplistic cut-and-paste? So I can have some worthless, needlessly antagonistic loser, who hasn't been to a dangerous place since the early 1990s and has never been to Venezuela, call my expertise into question? Why bother? If I want to discuss the situation in Venezuela, I can talk to people who are in Venezuela right now, or people who have lived and worked there, and who speak Spanish…. like PENTA BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

(I can just feel nowonmai and flipflop trying sooo hard not to whine. "Oooooooh Penta's opinion doesn't count because weeeeee got her banned and sheeeeeee said something in August 2008 on this thread I'm going to dredge up riiiiiiiiiight now that was incorrect, just like on this thread from December 2006 where she was also incorrect, therefore waaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh how can ANYONE consider her knowledge on Venezuela, where she lived, where she has friends, which she visits regularly, where they speak a language in which she is fluent, superior to my opinion, based on one mediocre, uniformed cut-and-paste article from the top of a quick google search?")

And just to rub it in, flipflop and nowonmai, because I know you're struggling, PENTA PENTA PENTA PENTA PENTA hahahahahahaha

Anyway, I'm just irritated by the loss of my precious Black Flag Cafe and all the awesomeness that it once brought forth from the chaos of dangerous places and obscure politics, and how it's been reduced to a shadow of its former self by two worthless psychos. If someone wants to know about Central America, or Latin America, they can PM me. But until flipflop and nowonmai either shape up or fuck off, I plan to come back here for three purposes: To check and/or post on the jokes and entertain me threads, to write the occasional book review, and to call out flipflop and nowonmai on their bullshit. Don't like it? Ban me. I'll cry all the way to Reddit.


You don't have it in you to give as good as you get, you grandiose twit. While you're sitting there in high cotton boasting of the banning of Flipflop and Nowonmai and your expertise on Venezuela (I digress, once upon a time Friendlyskies cavorted around Central America & called herself a writer until her trust funds ran dry & she found some hapless Republican s.o.b. to knock her up and marry her ...... a man she doesn't even like for chrissakes, but for his healthy paycheck) who the fuck do you think you are to dictate that Flipflop and Nowonmai shape up or fuck off? Oh really, now?

Are you fucking kidding me? Did it occur to you that maybe others on here may enjoy their presence (guilty), even in all of their "misogynistic" glory? I tell you what, it's men like this that make the world go round, these men are soldiers. Respect.

Meanwhile, Svizzerams, what the hell are you thinking? Is it your goal to turn the BFC into some kind of NPR circle-jerk? I don't like this. At all. Seektravelinfo is not pleased.

And RYP, shame on you too. It appears that you are hiding behind apron strings of the women. If you don't reinstate these rude boys I invite you to Suck My Dick.


Chill Seeks. Last time I looked respect was a two way street. Making up crap about anyone is unseemly and I'm sure your mamma taught you better. And there is nothing - ever - glorious about misogyny or misandry, for that matter. Tap Dancing Vladimir Putin on a cracker, get a grip woman.
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Re: Official:Friendlyskies wrong on absolutely everything ev

Postby seektravelinfo » Fri Mar 14, 2014 4:14 am

I repeat, Suck My Dick
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Re: Official:Friendlyskies wrong on absolutely everything ev

Postby MJK » Fri Mar 14, 2014 12:17 pm

The boys in the banned are smiling down on this thread as you carry on their work....
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Re: Official:Friendlyskies wrong on absolutely everything ev

Postby friendlyskies » Fri Mar 14, 2014 1:03 pm

Well, seeks, you mentioned that you wanted my opinion on the situation in Venezuela, and I offered it. If you're more interested in defending nowonmai and flipflop than addressing my post Venezuela, well, you're as big of an addict to the soap opera element of the BFC as they are. This place used to be about what was going on in the world, not meangirling each other for the amusement of a couple of male trolls.

As you know, I've lived and worked in Latin America for ten years, been to Venezuela twice, follow the events going on there right now in Spanish and English, including via a very good friend who is stuck doing guidebook research there right now (which makes for some hilarious facebooking, btw), and am headed to Mexico (FWIW) in June for work, and Nicaragua in December, for play (though I hope to get some work while I'm there). That's not good enough to qualify me to have an opinion on in Venezuela, or around Latin America? Because you, of all people, say so?

Sure, fine, whatever. Yeah, I took a year off (during which I still covered Latin America for a variety of news sources) to take care of a baby, but that baby is going with me to Mexico while I work. And will probably continue to travel with me, while I work and play in Latin America, for the next 17 years. You think I'll have nothing to offer here at the BFC? Compared to you? Compared to nowonmai? Really? Just because I had a kid? I'm a recognized expert in Latin American affairs with a history, and future, of travel to dangerous places. Jesus, Nicaragua killed one of our most awesome contributors and a truly wonderful human being, and I go down there regularly.

But… it's not about travel, is it. Or dangerous places. It's about the soap opera. Your status on the BFC. The positive reinforcement you got from nowonmai and flipflop as they manipulated you to meangirl on people who actually just wanted to discuss travel to dangerous places in a forum that was once about the destination, but is now about who hates who, who likes who, who said what in posts from years and years ago, and who has the "right" to post their opinions based on the whims of two loser sacks of shit.

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That is actually a pretty an accurate representation of how I feel. I wanted to out-troll the trolls, but really didn't think I'd succeed. So, I'm feeling troll's remorse, and trying to hide the smug feelings that accompany it. I can't help but feel a little cheerful that they got banned. But that's not even the point.

In reality, I don't even give a shit about nowonmai or flipflop. What irks me is that this fucking forum was once a great place to discuss foreign affairs. People could have opinions on places, even places they'd never been, without having to justify it to two losers, one of whom works in Afghanistan periodically but otherwise doesn't have much to offer, and the other who hasn't traveled to a dangerous place since the early 1990s. How they managed to position themselves as worthy of judging the merits of other people is worth studying, if you're interested in that sort of thing, but I'm not. The thing was, the people on here had something in common, and something rare - they enjoyed traveling to dangerous places, and they cared about what was going on in conflict zones and had experience there. This gave them unique insights, even if the conflict zone under discussion wasn't somewhere they'd actually been. And also, in a world more concerned with the next episode of Downtown Abbey or Modern Family, it was a great place to find people who cared about conflict.

But, then it was turned into a soap opera. Someone like Dawud, who actually lives in Turkey and has all kinds of experience in the Middle East, wasn't allowed to talk about the Middle East because he didn't live up to nowonmai's and flipflop's arbitrary criteria, something about why he became Muslim but wasn't a terrorist or whatever. Someone like svizz, who travels all over the world, wasn't allowed to be a moderator in good standing, because she didn't go to Afghanistan or something. Someone like me, who has spent years living and working in Latin America, wasn't allowed to comment on Venezuela because I haven't been there in two years. I mean, come on. How are you supposed to have any discussion at all?

That was the point, though. No discussion, no forum, the forum dies, nowonmai and flipflop win. Right?

Anyway, this place has two weeks before they start their assault on svizz, and turn everything back into a soap opera, starring them. In the meantime, we can actually discuss Venezuela, Ukraine, whatever the fuck RYP is doing in Africa, without have it turn into a trollarama where people have to justify their opinion and expertise to two worthless losers, for post after post after post, until the original point is lost, discussion is squelched, the forum withers further, and they laugh.

Two fucking weeks.
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Re: Official:Friendlyskies wrong on absolutely everything ev

Postby coldharvest » Fri Mar 14, 2014 1:18 pm

seektravelinfo wrote:I repeat, Suck My Dick

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Re: Official:Friendlyskies wrong on absolutely everything ev

Postby seektravelinfo » Fri Mar 14, 2014 3:55 pm

coldharvest wrote:
seektravelinfo wrote:I repeat, Suck My Dick

fuck baby....whip it out already


I'm speaking metaphorically, of course, inspired by Nick Cave:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lneSAju-Xtc

Welly welly well, what a fine graveyard this has become, while Friendlyskies alternates between smug and gleeful that the banning & censorship of two warriors has taken place. On the Black Flag Cafe of all places.

Couldn't take the barbs and insults of these rude boys, could you, girls? Welp, not my problem that you're not tough enough. Svizzerams and Friendlyskies, your assumptions and statements that I have been manipulated by them are laughable & predictable. And, Stockholm syndrome? Really, Svizz?

Let me explain: I "get" them. You don't. You don't have the ability to detach yourself from your own ego and stand back and understand where they're coming from, so you demonize them. You are stung that they got your number long ago, they hurt your feelings and you felt scorned. Well, you know what Shakespeare said. Your fury though is lame and has no strength. You are a weak and entitled woman and I couldn't possibly respect you. Why, you married a man just so you could get health insurance! You said so right on this board! And when I call you out, you race to minimize my opinion on this matter as some sort of "mean girls" patter. Can't you do better spin than that?

Now, shit's jumping all over the world, Ukraine for instance, and the two remaining people on this board most qualified to provide some succinct observations have been booted out, because they are deemed to not be proper. It's a goddamned shame.
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Re: Official:Friendlyskies wrong on absolutely everything ev

Postby friendlyskies » Fri Mar 14, 2014 4:26 pm

Still waiting for your opinions on Venezuela, seeks. Who is your money on for pulling together the opposition, Lopez or Capriles? Just curious.

EDIT: And if you don't think lying about my feelings toward my husband is "mean girls" shit, as opposed to discussion of dangerous places, you've completely lost it. Yes, my husband and I got married before we would have otherwise, because I got pregnant, and needed health insurance. Would it have been better, in your opinion, if I'd gotten an abortion? Or gone on some kind of Medicaid program? It made sense at the time, we were already in love, it was a fun day… we got hitched for $67 at the County Marriage and Gun License Office. I've never wanted to be drunk so badly in my life. We aren't exactly the Cleavers, we're VERY different people, and having an infant has put some stress on the relationship, but we're really trying to make it work. I love and care for him a great deal, I know that he loves me and Chainsaw, and no matter what happens, I will always be grateful for him stepping up and marrying me, and supporting me (not just financially, but also emotionally and intellectually - how disgusting that I even need to clarify that for you) through one of the most difficult, and most rewarding, adventures of my life.

You don't have to respect me. But what's the point of lying about my marriage, lying about the feelings I have for my husband, lying about a trust fund, lying about whether or not I am a writer, and so forth? Here? How does that contribute to discussion of dangerous places? As I said in the private message I sent to you on Facebook, asking for an apology, the only true thing in your diatribe was that my husband is a Republican. (Although he voted for Obama both times.) Everything else was a lie. And, while no one can check to see whether I love my husband or not, those people here who know my real name can google me, and find my articles and books about Latin America online. You know my real name and could have easily done the same.

I still think you do owe me an apology for bringing my marriage into this, but I don't really expect one. What you could do, however, is stop spreading malicious, untrue gossip about my relationship with my husband, and try to focus on travel to dangerous places. Or not.

Anyway, nowonmai and flipflop were banned for two weeks, it's not that big of a deal. Certainly not such a big deal that you have to go around lying about people's marriages. My husband is handsome, strong, smart, and fun, and if our marriage fails for some sad reason, it's going to be a fucking tragedy. Not just for me, and him, but for our son. A tragedy that I suspect you would exploit for your own edification, because you are just that mentally unstable and weird. But whatever.
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Re: Official:Friendlyskies wrong on absolutely everything ev

Postby friendlyskies » Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:27 pm

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Heh. Yeah. I don't even know why my marriage was part of this conversation, I've been trying to ignore seeks' bizarro fascination with lying about it - for the record, we don't know each other, we have never even met, and I have never discussed my marriage with her at all - for a while and finally lost my cool. I sure do wish we could still edit posts indefinitely.

Anyway, I was only trolling flipflop and nowonmai because (1) it's fun, (2) I really do think they destroyed the BFC and I resent it, and (3) they have said such horrible, nasty, disrespectful things to other posters on this forum, people who just wanted to talk about travel to dangerous, poor, or unusual places, that really nothing is off limits. And (4) because that sad sack of shit nowonmai made me the subject of his post *AND* his sig line, what was I supposed to do, not take up the challenge? Please. Besides, I'm not going to go back over the fight like a psycho freak, but I believe it was flipflop who mentioned banning in the first place, something about, "Well if I wished she was dead maybe I'd get banned" or whatever. I thought it would be funny to take that and run with it. And it is pretty funny now that he's banned, he and nowonmai are going to be losing their shit for the next two weeks, and that image amuses me.

BUT, yeah, obviously most of the BFC is pretty annoyed with me and my shenanigans, so my apologies. I'll step back, sorry for the kerfuffle. It is very difficult to quit the BFC altogether, but I'll try to limit further posts to the book review thread, jokes, and "entertain me" thread. If something comes up about Latin America, or the psycho twins decide to taunt me, I might give into temptation and post. Otherwise, I promise I'll lay off. I really did not want to do anything except make nowonmai and flipflop freak out and get defensive and funny.
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