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OMG TeH Global WARming Is Gonna Kill Us all!

Postby SRR » Sun Feb 22, 2009 5:51 pm

Even though this is a mainstream news piece it has all the trappings of alarmist drivel. Stock up now, the war is just around the corner!

Expert predicts dire scenarios of climate change: mass migrations and war

CAPE TOWN, South Africa - If we don't deal with climate change decisively, "what we're talking about then is extended world war," the eminent economist said.

His audience Saturday, small and elite, had been stranded here by bad weather and were talking climate. They couldn't do much about the one, but the other was squarely in their hands. And so, Lord Nicholas Stern was telling them, was the potential for mass migrations setting off mass conflict.

"Somehow we have to explain to people just how worrying that is," the British economic thinker said.

Stern, author of a major British government report detailing the cost of climate change, was one of a select group of two dozen - environment ministers, climate negotiators and experts from 16 countries - scheduled to fly to Antarctica to learn firsthand how global warming might melt its ice into the sea, raising ocean levels worldwide.

Their midnight flight was scrubbed Friday and Saturday because of high winds on the southernmost continent, 4,800 kilometres from here. While waiting at their Cape Town hotel for the gusts to ease down south, chief sponsor Erik Solheim, Norway's environment minister, improvised with group exchanges over coffee and wine about the future of the planet.

"International diplomacy is all about personal relations," Solheim said. "The more people know each other, the less likely there will be misunderstandings."

Understandings will be vital in this "year of climate," as the world's countries and their negotiators count down toward a United Nations climate conference in Copenhagen in December, target date for concluding a grand new deal to replace the Kyoto Protocol - the 1997 agreement, expiring in 2012, to reduce carbon dioxide and other global-warming emissions by industrial nations.

Solheim drew together key players for the planned brief visit to Norway's Troll Research Station in East Antarctica.

Trying on polar outfits for size Friday were China's chief climate negotiator Xie Zhenhua, veteran U.S. climate envoy Dan Reifsnyder, and environment ministers Hilary Benn of Britain and Carlos Minc Baumfeld of Brazil.

Later, at dinner, the heavyweights heard from smaller or poorer countries about the trials they face as warming disrupts climate, turns some regions drier, threatens food production in poor African countries.

Jose Endundo, environment minister of the Democratic Republic of Congo, said he recently visited huge Lake Victoria in nearby Uganda, at 80,000 square kilometres a vital source for the Nile River, and learned the lake level had dropped three metres in the past six years - a loss blamed in part on warmer temperatures and diminishing rains.

In the face of such threats, "the rich countries have to give us a helping hand," the African minister said.

But it was Stern, former chief World Bank economist, who Saturday laid out a case to his stranded companions in sobering PowerPoint detail.

If the world's countries act responsibly, Stern said, they will achieve "zero-carbon" electricity production and zero-carbon road transport by 2050 - by replacing coal power plants with wind, solar or other energy sources that emit no carbon dioxide, and fossil fuel-burning vehicles with cars running on electric or other "clean" energy.

Then warming could be contained to a 2-degree-Celsius rise this century, he said.

But if negotiators falter, if emissions reductions are not made soon and deep, the severe climate shifts and sea-level rises projected by scientists would be "disastrous."

It would "transform where people can live," Stern said. "People would move on a massive scale. Hundreds of millions, probably billions of people would have to move if you talk about 4-, 5-, 6-degree increases." And that would mean extended global conflict, "because there's no way the world can handle that kind of population move in the time period in which it would take place."

Melting ice, rising seas, dwindling lakes and war - the stranded ministers had a lot to consider. But many worried, too, that the current global economic crisis will keep governments from transforming carbon-dependent economies just now. For them, Stern offered a vision of working today on energy-efficient economies that would be more "sustainable" in the future.

"The unemployed builders of Europe should be insulating all the houses of Europe," he said.

After he spoke, Norwegian organizers announced that the forecast looked good for Stern and the rest to fly south Sunday to further ponder the future while meeting with scientists in the forbidding vastness of Antarctica.
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Re: OMG TeH Global WARming Is Gonna Kill Us all!

Postby Woodsman » Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:53 pm

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Re: OMG TeH Global WARming Is Gonna Kill Us all!

Postby Sri Lanky » Wed Feb 25, 2009 7:24 pm

If this is true then Russia will be in control of most of the world's food supply.....authoritarian government or not.

The Russians have already had their Mandela and Obama wrapped into one.....his name was Gorbachev.
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Re: OMG TeH Global WARming Is Gonna Kill Us all!

Postby Fansy » Thu Feb 26, 2009 3:44 pm

Woodsman knows more than most scientists.

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Re: OMG TeH Global WARming Is Gonna Kill Us all!

Postby Alessandro » Mon Apr 13, 2009 9:47 am

So is this anything new, massimmigration and war is part of human nature.
Yes, I believe in global warming, if it´s done by mankind or not, I don´t care, same endresult.
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Re: OMG TeH Global WARming Is Gonna Kill Us all!

Postby LechoZX » Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:56 pm

SRR wrote:Solheim drew together key players for the planned brief visit to Norway's Troll Research Station in East Antarctica.


Why are they researching trolls?
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Re: OMG TeH Global WARming Is Gonna Kill Us all!

Postby Moosehead » Sat Apr 25, 2009 6:26 pm

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Climate Wars is a little sci-fi with the future predictions, a good read though. But earth mother touchy-feely aside about global warming and Gaia's soul etc.

Food/water supply decrease vs. people increase. Problems ensue, solved by violence. Coming soon to a plane of reality near you.

http://www.thedailyobserver.ca/ArticleD ... ?e=1301435

World faces a climate war says expert
Gwynne Dyer speaks in Pembroke
Posted By DANIELLE VANDENBRINK, STAFF WRITER
Posted 5 months ago

Nobody lets their children starve unless there are no other options available.

This from international affairs expert Gwynne Dyer, who spoke to a full house of Algonquin College students and community members at Festival Hall Monday night.

Mr. Dyer's lecture, entitled "Climate Wars," outlined the impact climate change is having not only on the world's climate, but on the world's food supply and military operations.

Mr. Dyer has worked as a freelance journalist, columnist, broadcaster and lecturer on international affairs for more than 20 years.

He has obtained degrees from Canadian, American and British universities in history, specifically in military history and Middle Eastern studies.

Because of his extensive background in military history, he has lectured at the Canadian Forces College in Toronto and on war studies at the Royal Military Academy in Sandhurst, England.

Mr. Dyer also has military experience as a reserve naval officer in the Royal Canadian Naval Reserve, the U. S. Naval Reserve and the Royal Naval Reserve in England.

As a journalist, he is well-known for his twice-weekly column on international affairs which is used by various news agencies worldwide.

Two years ago, he said he started to notice the keen interest military officials were taking in terms of their role in the climate change crisis, especially in the U. S.

He said he spent two years researching the issue, speaking with military generals, scientists, politicians and diplomats.

From there, he said, he drew conclusions from his research.

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One is that climate change is happening much faster than is known to the general public. He said research referred to in the media, such as findings made by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change which is made up of scientists and experts chosen from around the world, is a conservative estimate.

A glaring example, he said, is the rapid melting of Arctic sea ice. The ice reflects sunlight back into the atmosphere, rather than being absorbed into the ocean, preventing warming.

In 2005, he said, there was less than five-million square kilometres of sea ice covering the ocean. This year, there is 4.3-million square kilometres. He said some say at the current rate of climate change, the sea could be ice-free by 2013. If so, the ocean would be left to absorb heat and accelerate global warming.

The ocean already absorbs carbon emissions from the atmosphere, and when it warms it is less able to do so, he added.

Another conclusion he came to is in reference to the global food crisis, in that climate change is causing drought and flooding in many parts of the world affecting food production.

"Eating is a non-negotiable activity," he said. "We are already on the edge in the food supply."

He said cuts to the food supply, especially in wheat production, will inevitably cause social upheaval. Considering the world's population is growing at such a rapid rate, he said the shortage will only increase. Something, he said, militaries around the world are paying close attention to.


If the world warms two degrees more, he said many crops will not be able to sustain their current climates.

An example he gave is the seven-year-long drought in Australia and the wheat crisis there.

If the crisis continues to grow, he said people in developing countries will have no choice but to move or take action and raid, causing civil war in many countries. The same can be said for water, especially since water is needed in large amounts for irrigation of crops.

"People do not sit around watching their kids starve," he said.

In India, he said, two degrees warmer would cut food production by 25 per cent, leaving 250 million people without food.

Eventually, the U. S. might resort to building an iron curtain of sorts to keep refugees from Mexico from crossing the boarder in larger numbers if there is a water shortage catastrophe.

Because of the large Hispanic population living in the U. S., there is also a chance of a civil upheaval south of the boarder.

He said Canada is at an advantage because we have the option to sell our water to the U. S.

"We control this process because we're causing it," he said, adding that we need to make changes now.

He said what's really needed is an 80 per cent reduction in carbon emissions by 2030, and even better would be a 50 per cent cut by 2020.

If we let it get to far, he said, he cannot reverse the results. "We still have time but we don't have a lot," he said.

He said we need to change the way we use energy. There is still a need to use as much energy, but we need to stop using fossil fuels.

He said it is difficult because it is almost impossible to come to a consensus politically, because no country wants to pledge reducing emissions when no one else is as committed. He said the public has to accept and support a political platform supporting radical emissions cuts.

He also said the burden has to be on the Western world, because we are better off financially and we created the problem in the first place. For example, he said the West needs to consider subsidizing clean energy production in developing countries so they can realistically reduce emissions.

Finally, he said, there is a way to cheat by using geo-engineering. Some ideas include engineered ways to block out the sun's light. One way is to put sulfur particles in the stratosphere by enriching jet fuel with sulfur. The sulfur particles will reflect the light and cool the earth's surface.

But he said, this is just a temporary solution while we deploy ways to reverse the affects of climate change.

"We're not talking about a solution here, we're talking about buying time," he said. "We're not here to save the planet, we're here to save ourselves."
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Re: OMG TeH Global WARming Is Gonna Kill Us all!

Postby Sri Lanky » Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:33 pm

Things will change for the better when we collectively see the Earth as an extension of ourselves rather than as a resource. Think short term pessimism along with long term optimism. The 21st century will be frought with human suffering as population levels swell while we stubbornly cling to the idea that our technologies will save us. We can't address any present and future problems within a capitalist framework. It's possible that by the 23rd century we will have learned enough lessons.
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