Is there a September 11 cover up??? Someone told me about

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Postby Kaptan_Kirk » Thu Feb 24, 2005 7:17 am

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Postby SRR » Thu Feb 24, 2005 7:53 am

Actually, Kurt said he didn't hear something with his own ears. Because a person didn't see or hear something does not mean it did not happen. Plenty of people in downtown Manhattan on 9/11 didn't actually see the airplanes plow into the towers, the fact that they didn't see it happen doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Hearing nothing is still hearing something. The spaces in between silence are noises in themselves.

Look up John Cage.

I stand by my Aaliyah assertion though. I think she is actually alive and well deep in the Tora Bora mountains.

For every man's sake, I sure hope she is. Damn she was hot.
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Postby kilroy » Thu Feb 24, 2005 8:08 am

maybe aliyah and bin laden are really lovers and are in hiding together, plotting global domination. wouldn't that be something?

tupac and elvis would never let it happen though, even from their remote tropical island hideout. they don't have as many resources, but they have devoted agents all over the world, including afghanistan, or at least so i've heard. they're all very hush hush about it.
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Postby Hayduke » Thu Feb 24, 2005 3:46 pm

Shouln't this entire thread have happened in the TIN FOIL HAT CAFE?
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Postby Romeo247 » Sun Feb 27, 2005 8:52 am

Buzzsaw wrote:Maybe that 757 with 12,000 gallons of flaming jet fuel had something to do with the building falling over.

I think your right... That very same fuel that ignighted sprayed out of the sides of the towers in giant balls of flame...

notice the color of the smoke at the top a nice smoldering black not a bright white indicating a raging fire...
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Postby kilroy » Sun Feb 27, 2005 3:49 pm

I think your right... That very same fuel that ignighted sprayed out of the sides of the towers in giant balls of flame...

notice the color of the smoke at the top a nice smoldering black not a bright white indicating a raging fire...

yeah, cuz it's not like fires burn for long periods of time or anything, and i'm sure nothing flammable to account for the black smoke was in the building at all...
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Postby Romeo247 » Sun Feb 27, 2005 11:52 pm

Jesus Loves Me This I know For the BIBLE tells me sooo
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Postby ROB » Mon Feb 28, 2005 1:53 am

Yeah, cos believing that black smoke could be caused by debris in the WTC is akin to faith in an omnipotent, omniscientl being.
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Postby Romeo247 » Tue Mar 01, 2005 3:39 am

well religion has as, i always have felt been away of finding and identiy a belief an-in-ability to think for ones self...

Even levy was later found out to be a fraud... I do wonder what the oldest one according to ryp or the likes of some of the scholars in the bfc
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Postby sulsha » Sat Apr 09, 2005 12:36 pm

this isnt really a conspiracy theory - just somethign that confused me after reading an article in the L.A. Times or one of the papers in Riverside, california. After 9/11, they had a profile of one of the hijackers, mentioning that he used to attend a gym to workout. They had a half page picture showing a computer screen with the records of the hijacker and a picture of the owner of the gym. On the screen, it read, last date checked into gym was a date after 9/18 - one week after the 9/11 incident. Go figure?!?!?
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Postby ReptilianKittenEater » Sat May 14, 2005 1:34 pm

It is all a conspiracy. The two towers are still there, you just can't see them.

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Postby nomad » Fri Jun 03, 2005 3:13 am

woa, i read a lot of bullshit in here! fire could not have brought th towers down,scientifically impossible. everyone here if you have a gas stove go turn it on and leave it on all day and if your stove melts down ill beileive fire can do that! look at the building in Madrid Spain it burned for three days with hundred ft flames but the steel frame was still standing! demolition explosives (if you havent seen a building demolished by explosives you need to find footage) were used to take the towers down and building 7 how come no one talks about building 7 nothing even hit it! these buldings were designed to take MULTIBLE airplane attacks! and any one who says thats not true" no one everthought some one would use airplanes as missles" is full of shit i have criminal justice text books that talk about it that are years old! my neighbor is in the air force he let me barrow his text books on commercial piloting there is no way those planes could have dissapeared off radar and his opinion as an air force pilot is the same!
i could go on for days. come on people wake up youve been scammed
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Money all these big organizations get big funding to give you your opinion!
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Postby nomad » Mon Jun 06, 2005 7:44 am

oh by the way all who are so trusting in Popular Mechanics and its half ass explanations should know the nephew of bush appointed homeland security's michael chertoff is in charge of debunking your 9/11 theories, it used to be a good read... no mas
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"The JAPANESE are a disease of the skin.
The COMMUNISTS are a disease of the heart."
--Chiang Kai-Shek (Christ Clone)

You are all aware, by now, that only one kind or type of political
system, culture or social order, by definition, creates men to carry
out the evil objectives of the "rogue" state.

To my mind, saying "Born under a bad sign"
Is almost like saying "Born under a malicious
Government brain-washing program". -WMD

"I blame Goldstein!" To live and die for the North Korean and the
Iranian "cause" in the quest to achieve some newly desired
legislative policy, like a declaration of war, this kind or type of
social system will stop at nothing when the time comes.

There can be only one type or kind of state where the men are
sacrificed, from birth, to carry-out the whims of the political
system, culture or social order, which has this urgent need for
catalysts for more repressive and more restrictive laws -- when the

And should that congenital monster of a catalyst default, that
congenital catalyst of repressive societal change (think, "slot-
machines") gets buried behind miles of barbed wire and 50-foot stone
walls. He either goes to the penitentiary, or he dies of HIV/AIDS!!
("Well," you say, "at least he gets a choice. It's compassionate
conservatism." It's also called "compassionate release", man!) ... message/31

"Born with no other purpose; given no other consideration." It's
almost as if I was born with that military-issued assault rifle on my
back and in my hands too! (YOU CAN fill in the blanks as to what I
would do with it, fellow-travellers.) "Unfortunately, alcoholics and
mental-defectives are ineligible for military conscription in the
United States of America at this time."

Fortunately, I'm "short" in these United States, so the 2nd Amendment
means SHIT to me!

America might have been a different country when I was born but, the
more I think about it, the more doubtful I become about whether or
not the United States of America ever recognized one shread of my
human worth. (My discarded American Flag notwithstanding.) Recalling
the year 1969, I am doubtful about being born for any beneficent
purpose at all; and this revelation, my understanding and realization
of the truth, stinks to high-fuckin'-heaven!
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Postby Kasca » Sun Jun 26, 2005 2:38 am

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WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High
Eye Witness Testimony Is Conclusive That North Tower Collapsed >From Controlled Demolition

Greg Szymanski | June 24 2005

What happened to William Rodriguez the morning of 9/11 is a miracle. What happened to his story after-the-fact is a tragedy.

But with miracles and tragedies comes truth. And truth is exactly what Rodriguez brings to the whole mystery surrounding 9/11.

Declared a hero for saving numerous lives at Ground Zero, he was the janitor on duty the morning of 9/11 who heard and felt explosions rock the basement sub-levels of the north tower just seconds before the jetliner struck the top floors.

He not only claims he felt explosions coming from below the first sub-level while working in the basement, he says the walls were cracking around him and he pulled a man to safety by the name of Felipe David, who was severely burned from the basement explosions.

All these events occurred only seconds before and during the jetliner strike above. And through it all, he now asks a simple question everybody should be asking? How could a jetliner hit 90 floors above and burn a man’s arms and face to a crisp in the basement below within seconds of impact?

Rodriguez claims this was impossible and clearly demonstrates a controlled demolition brought down the WTC, saying "Let’s see them (the government) try to wiggle out of this one."

Well, they haven’t wiggled out of it because the government continues to act like Rodriguez doesn’t exist, basically ignoring his statements and the fact he rescued a man burnt and bleeding from the basement explosions.

His eye witness account, ignored by the media and the government, points the finger squarely on an official cover-up at the highest levels since the government contends the WTC fell only from burning jet fuel. And after listening to Rodriguez, it’s easy to see why the Bush administration wants him kept quiet.

Bush wants him quiet because Rodriguez’s account is ‘proof positive’ the WTC was brought down by a controlled demolition, not burning jet fuel. And Bush knows if he’s caught lying about this or caught in a cover-up, it’s just a matter of time before the whole house of cards comes tumbling down.

In fact, Rodriguez’s story is so damaging – so damning – it literally blows the lid off the government story, literally exposing the whole 9/11 investigation as a sham and a cover-up of the worst kind.

And it appears the cover-up also extends to the media.

NBC news knew about his story several years ago, even spending a full day at his house taping his comments. But when push came to shove, his story was never aired. Why?

His eyewitness account, backed up by at least 14 people at the scene with him, isn’t speculation or conjecture. It isn’t a story that takes a network out on a journalistic limb. It’s a story that can be backed up, a story that can be verified with hospital records and testimony from many others.

It’s a story about 14 people who felt and heard the same explosion and even saw Rodriguez, moments after the airplane hit, take David to safety, after he was burnt so bad from the basement explosion flesh was hanging from his face and both arms

So why didn’t NBC or any other major news outlets cover the story? They didn’t run it because it shot the government story to hell and back. They didn’t run it because "the powers at be" wouldn’t allow it.

Since 9/11, Rodriguez has stuck to his guns, never wavering from what he said from day one. Left homeless at times, warned to keep quiet and subtly harassed, he nevertheless has continued trying to tell get his message out in the face of a country not willing to listen.

Here is his story:

The Miracle

It’s a miracle Rodriguez, 44, who worked at the WTC for 20 years, is even alive. Usually arriving to work at 8:30am, the morning of 9/11 he reported 30 minutes late. If he’d arrived on time, it would have put him at the top floors just about the same time the jetliner hit the north tower.

"It was a miracle. If I arrived on time, like always, I’d probably be dead. I would have been up at the top floors like every morning," said Rodriguez about the quirk of fate that saved his life.

But since he was late, Rodriguez found himself checking into work in an office on sub-level 1 when the north tower was hit, seemingly out of harms way. However, the sound and concussion of a massive explosion in the sub-levels right below his feet changed that.

"When I heard the sound of the explosion, the floor beneath my feet vibrated, the walls started cracking and it everything started shaking," said Rodriguez, who was huddled together with at least 14 other people in the office.

Rodriguez said Anthony Saltamachia, supervisor for the American Maintenance Co., was one of the people in the room who stands ready to verify his story.

"Seconds after the first massive explosion below in the basement still rattled the floor, I hear another explosion from way above," said Rodriguez. "Although I was unaware at the time, this was the airplane hitting the tower, it occurred moments after the first explosion."

But before Rodriguez had time to think, co-worker Felipe David stormed into the basement office with severe burns on his face and arms, screaming for help and yelling "explosion! explosion! explosion!"

David had been in front of a nearby freight elevator on sub-level 1 about 400 feet from the office when fire burst out of the elevator shaft, causing his injuries.

"He was burned terribly," said Rodriguez. "The skin was hanging off his hands and arms. His injuries couldn’t have come from the airplane above, but only from a massive explosion below. I don’t care what the government says, what scientists say. I saw a man burned terribly from a fire that was caused from an explosion below.

"I know there were explosives placed below the trade center. I helped a man to safety who is living proof, living proof the government story is a lie and a cover-up.

"I have tried to tell my story to everybody, but nobody wants to listen. It is very strange what is going on here in supposedly the most democratic country in the world. In my home country of Puerto Rico and all the other Latin American countries, I have been allowed to tell my story uncensored. But here, I can’t even say a word."

After Rodriguez escorted David to safety outside the WTC, he returned to lead the others in the basement to safety as well. While there, he also helped two other men trapped and drowning in the basement elevator shaft, another result he says of the explosives placed below the tower.

In fact, after leading these men to safety, he even made another trip back into the north tower, against police orders, in order to rescue people from the top floors.

"I never could make it to the top, but I got up to the 33rd floor after getting some of my equipment and a face mask out of the janitor’s closet," said Rodriguez, adding he heard a series of small explosions going off between the 20th and 30th floors, unrelated to the airplane strike, while making his way through the stairwell to the top floors.

"Also, when I was on the 33rd floor, I heard strange sounds coming form the 34th floor, loud noises like someone moving and thumping heavy equipment and furniture. I knew this floor was empty and stripped due to construction work so I avoided it and continued to make my way up the stairs."

Rodriguez said he finally reached the 39th floor before being turned back by fire fighters and then, reluctantly, started his dissent back down and his own flight to safety while, at the same time, hearing explosions coming from the South Tower.

The Tragedy

The concerted effort by the media and the government to silence Rodriguez is the tragedy behind this American hero’s story. And there is no question, Rodriguez is a "silent hero" for saving so many lives and for having the courage to continue telling his story against tremendous odds.

In an effort to open a fair and honest investigation as to why the WTC collapsed, Rodriguez has been ignored by government officials, the 9/11 Commission and the National Institute of Safety and Technology (NIST).

NIST, an independent investigative group funded by the government, put the finishing touches this week on its 2 year $35 million 9/11 investigation. This week Rodriguez made his final plea to have his story heard while testifying at the final public hearing held in New York.

" I disagree 100%with the government story," said Rodriguez. "I met with the 9/11 Commission behind closed doors and they essentially discounted everything I said regarding the use of explosives to bring down the north tower.

"And I contacted NIST previously four times without a response. Finally, this week I asked them before they came up with their conclusion that jet fuel brought down the towers, if they ever considered my statements or the statements of any of the other survivors who heard the explosions. They just stared at me with blank faces and didn’t have any answers.

"Also, The FBI never followed up on my claims or on the other part of my story when I told them before 9/11, I encountered one of the hijackers casing the north tower."

Besides the explosions, Rodriguez also has provided testimony to the 9/11 Commission that he stumbled across one of the supposed 19 Arab hijackers inside the WTC several months before 9/11

"I had just finished cleaning the bathroom and this guy asks me, 'Excuse me, how many public bathrooms are in this area?'" Rodriguez told the 9/11 Commission. "Coming from the school of the 1993 [Trade Center] bombing, I found it very strange. I didn't forget about it"

Rodriguez, claims he saw United Airlines Flight 175 hijacker Mohand Alshehri in June 2001, telling an FBI agent about the incident a month after the attacks. Never hearing back from the bureau, he later learned agents never followed up on the story.

"I'm very certain, I'll give it 90%" that Alshehri was casing the towers before the attacks," said Rodriguez.

Regarding the media’s apathetic approach to his story, Rodriguez said immediately after 9/11 some newspapers picked it up but his words were never taken seriously and quickly forgotten.

"During the 9/11 hearings, NBC brought a crew out to my house and spent a day taping my story but they never did air a word of it," said Rodriguez. "Since then, some reporters and commentators have subtly warned me to keep quiet, told me my life could be in jeopardy and warned me that I really didn’t understand who I was dealing with.

"I have been receiving this type of subtle harassment for years, but I keep telling everybody I can’t be intimidated because I am on a mission. Whenever someone asks why I keep talking or warns me that I could be killed, I just tell them I have nothing to lose.

"I tell them I lost 200 friends and I am their voice now. I tell them I will do everything in my power to find out the truth since I am living on borrowed time since I probably should be dead anyway."

Besides trying to tell his explosive story, Rodriguez has been active raising money for 9/11victims, being involved with charity groups that have raised more than $122 million. He says he has used over $60,000 of his own money, originally earmarked to buy a new house, in order to get at the truth behind 9/11.

Also seeking justice at the highest level, Rodriguez is the lead plaintiff in a federal RICO lawsuit filed against President Bush and others, alleging conspiracy to commit murder and other crimes in the deaths of more than 3,000 at the WTC.

The case, filed last November in a Philadelphia federal district court, recently was moved to New York in a change of venue after a government’s motion to dismiss was overruled, allowing legal discovery to continue.

"Even if the case goes no farther, I feel we have scored a victory by winning this first battle," said Rodriguez. "At least the judge seems willing to listen which is a victory of sorts. However, I sincerely hope we can eventually take the case all the way to trial and reveal the truth to the American people about 9/11."

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