Tony has an "evil meter"....no wait... he has TRADEMARKED the "evil meter"....
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Q& A with Tony Wheeler on Bad Lands
What motivated you to write this book?
George Bush. I’ve always been interested in places ‘on the edge.’ That could mean places that are going through transitions or have been effectively inaccessible and then become accessible in some fashion. Or places that are simply very little visited. I had been kicking around the idea of writing something about ‘pariah countries,’ the places which for various reasons various people disapprove, and then George Bush gave it a theme when he announced his Evil Axis. I viewed the Evil Axis as a travel list of places I really should visit and then began to think about how the list could be expanded to include other countries viewed as pariahs, evil or simply bad.
Why ‘Bad Lands’?
Badlands is a geographical/physical term for a barren and eroded area and in particular the ‘Bad Lands’ of Dakota and Nebraska in the USA. I saw the title as a neatly ironic way of defi ning these countries, they are ‘bad countries’ or ‘bad nations’ or, for this book, ‘Bad Lands.’ Of course we have to question just how bad they really are and that’s a large part of what I try to do with this book.
Did writing this book present any special problems?
I had to be very cautious about getting people in trouble, I haven’t made anything up but a lot of names have been changed. Sometimes when I say I talked to A in town B the reality is that I talked to X in town Y. What inspired you to develop the Evil MeterTM? After I’d written the book I decided there should be some way of measuring just how bad these places were, or if they were indeed bad at all. In some cases I’m looking back to how the countries were when they earned their ‘bad’ status. So in the case of Albania it’s looking back to the Enver Hoxha era. In Afghanistan to when the Taliban were in power. For North Korea, however, it’s looking at the country as it is today.
What was the quirkiest place you visited?
No question at all it was North Korea. I don’t think I’ve ever been to a place as strange as North Korea, it often felt like a movie set, that if you walked around behind the building you would fi nd it wasn’t real, it was just a fake frontage. For example it’s rumoured that the Pyongyang subway system only runs between the couple of stations which tourists are taken to see. All the rest of the system is either an elaborate fake or simply unused. In fact I later met a diplomat who said he had travelled widely on the system and it did indeed exist and operate normally. As a visitor, however, our access is so restricted that stories like this develop. The complete disconnection and isolation from the outside world, the lack of news or contact, the complete absence or western brands and products all contribute to making this a very strange country.
Were there any surprises?
I had wanted to visit Libya for years because of the superb Roman ruins, in particular Leptis Magna, but I was unprepared for the postcard perfection of the Sahara Desert in the south.
In Saudi Arabia there is virtually no foreign tourism apart from the religious tourism of Islamic visitors coming to the country on pilgrimage. So I was very surprised to discover how easy it was to travel around, how few problems I faced and how much interest the country offers for non-Islamic visitors. Unhappily most of the Islamic interest is closed off to non-Islamic visitors, in contrast to Afghanistan and Iran for example. I have to add the rider that I am male, if I’d been female visiting Saudi Arabia would have been a very different situation.
Iran was a surprise for the outgoing friendliness of the people, their deep interest in the outside world, their outspokenness, the surprising directness of women (a real contrast to other Islamic countries in the book) and for the relative openness of mosques and other religious sites. In Saudi Arabia non-believers are totally banned from mosques, in Esfahan in Iran I was urged to go back to a mosque for a second visit because both a night and a day visit were necessary for real appreciation.
How would you like people to respond to Bad Lands?
I hope they fi nd it an interesting peek into some relatively inaccessible places, I hope they realise that ‘bad’ is a relative term and that there are always two sides to every story. I’ve tried to show the other side of the story and also think about how some ‘Good Lands’ would shape up if I applied my Evil Meter to them.
About Tony Wheeler
Tony wrote his first book and founded Lonely Planet with his wife Maureen in 1973 after they completed a yearlong trip from London across Europe, the Middle East, Asia and into Australia. Since then, Lonely Planet guides have become essential resources for adventur-ous and curious-minded travelers the world over. Today Lonely Planet publishes over 500 guidebooks to destinations on every continent and has offices in Melbourne, London, and Oakland with more than 400 staff.
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