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Re: Penta-bashing

Postby Penta » Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:17 pm

I've copied this from the main forum to here, where it belongs:

Keep trying old girl, you're not even warm - I can cyber-kick your ass forever if I wanted to. I've had more pms this week alone than I've had probably in the last two months beforehand - people are enjoying this, it's been on the cards for ages now, they are cracking up with laughter at your long overdue comeuppance. Just look at the hits for your attention whore "Penta-bashing" thread is now getting - THEY'RE FUCKING LOVING IT OUT THERE, YEEEEE-HAWWWW. And, you don't just swallow the bait, you've taken the rod and half the fooking angler. It's almost a double-act, but more like Itchy & Scratchy than Laurel & Hardy.

So, here's the deal: the longer you keep acting a complete arsehole the longer I'm going to wipe the BFC floor with you, so keep plugging away slick, you make it easier with every squawking post. I bet you're wishing I was still ignoring you now, eh? But why deny the long-suffering BFC the free entertainment value?

So, let's have it, fill your fucking boots


So let's see how you've "wiped the floor" with me on this thread. I've put all your contributions in bold, in case even the summary is too much for you to read.

We've had Bobby Sands pointing out that you're a pansy, not even capable of reaching the bottom rung of "sea-slug level periwinkle belt status" in the jedi ignoring stakes.

We've had RYP describing your efforts as "wastelands of wasted self primping macholades".

We've had friendlyskies pointing out sensibly that you criticise me for hypocrisy because I'm a typical progressive at the same time as being well off, successful, and happily married, demonstrating either your own hypocrisy or that "you have no ethics, values, or standards as a human being at all".

We've had Medevac pointing out that criticising me as a troll is also wrong, since "If having [and expressing] a different political viewpoint means you are a troll, we are all up shit creek".

We've had Farmdog completely misunderstanding and getting all hot under the collar about a comment I made relating to a poem Coldharvest posted.

We've had jumper getting off on posting a picture of a blonde in a camouflage bikini with a gun, echoed by Woodsman and 19 D 20.

We've had a diversion into Prince Charles, tampax, Princess Diana and goth chicks.

We've had Mikethehack and Soulohio fighting over my hand.

We've had nowonmai butting in irrelevantly every now and then because he doesn't know what's going on and is feeling left out (because unlike you he's apparently been keeping to his ignore resolution).

We've had Bronco (backed by svizzerams) pointing out that if you work hard, save, invest sensibly and don't waste money on other things, it's not so hard to buy a sailing boat, to which nowonmai, accurately for once, commented that our "bite on life's shit sandwich is pretty tasty", but then as usual, turns it to imply that we couldn't possibly have worked for and earned that bite.

We've had rickshaw and sri dissing Birmingham, which is fine by me; just because I like there, doesn't mean anybody else has to.

We've had one or two typically off-the-wall interventions from denise.

Finally, p. 7 on my screen, you put in an appearance again, with a real stinger of a missile: that I'm the privately educated daughter of an army officer, therefore I'm not "a scullery maid daughter of a coal miner", leading to a little diversion takeaways at my house, which you follow up with another zinger about Moazzem Begg (what? because he's Asian, he could only possibly work delivering Indian takeaways? Lovely) and accuse me of being "chavist" and racist because I choose to treat my guest to our justly celebrated local cuisine (followed and balanced the next day, as it happens, by bangers and mash and real ale: still not little Englander enough for you?). Fantastic: what a blow; I must be nearly down and out by now. [/sarcasm]

Back comes friendlyskies to the rescue: on the logical fallacy of the boat ownership issue.

Enter ROB, with his version of the you're-a-hypocrite-because-you-own-a-boat shtick (or stick to try to beat me with), justified by another fallacy - or fantasy - that I spend my time criticising others, nay, "tirades against entire groups", for not giving enough to charity, backed up by nowonmai, who throws into the ring the facts that I drink wine and smoke cigarettes (how shocking and hypocritical) and a total non-fact about my fiddling taxes (doesn't he realise that people like me, with my views, approve of paying taxes, always pay our taxes, have to persuade our advisers that yes, we do want to declare this, and no, we don't want to go into tax exile there?). And of course friendlyskies is back, reliable pointing out how silly such accusations are (and she even says the bit about paying taxes).

Then you're back, flipflop, insulting svizzerams this time (she's too old to keep up), and nowonmai has a go at friendlyskies (earnest, dope-smoking, pinko pussy). Bulls-eyes, both of you. Well done.

Now Mike and Soulohio are back, fighting over who can better hold his drink.

And you're back again with the insults, this time of me: I'm a kept woman and a "Fucking rich bourgeois hypocrite". Sigh. I'm still waiting for a proper attack, with the force of evidence to send it home.

Ultra Swain intervenes with a Lennon quote, and we all start humming happily.

I suggest that your hatred of me might be based on jealousy, which is the cue for ROB to call me a snob, but you're happy in your humble little room in Kabul, enjoying the "anguished cries" you imagine you've provoked.

Then ROB and I go off down the byways into my background, which he, like you, has fantasised as rich and privileged, and my friends, who he seems to imagine to be living off investment income (by contrast with hard-working folk who spend their money on bling: is he talking about you? God knows).

Fansy tells us how much he's enjoying the thread.

And you're back! This time I'm "talking through my sphincter"; my father was a lieutenant colonel or a brigadier so he must have been rolling in it and how could anyone believe any different? I tell you to go fuck yourself.

Meanwhile Nuclear_Football posts a couple of irrelevant images.

Then Mikethehack invokes Queensbury rules (and he, Soulohio and Wayne have a bit more light-hearted banter). I apologise for swearing at you, ROB apologises in case he was unintentionally personal, and bows out of the thread. Without knowing what I've been posting, Nowonmai responds by dropping in a few more insults for good measure (the old Trot traitor, terrorist cheerleading, champagne socialist, criminal record?).

You of course don't apologise for insulting me and others. Oh no, your response to my apology is:

Ah, the old passive/aggressive attack mode: a turgid "apology" in this thread, probably because of the magnitude of the cyber-kicking you're getting in it. ...
You've had this mauling coming for a long time, enjoy it while it lasts. Personal? you fucking bet it is, see it simply as cold, clinical hatred.


And then there's the bit where you think it's clever to say you usually go for younger women
and I don't give you the kicking you deserve and asked for.

So tell me, flipflop: "wiping the floor with me", "cyber-kicking", "mauling"? Where is this great victory of yours? Where did you - or anyone else - land a telling blow (or even a glancing one)? Or do you think being rude to someone, calling them names, flinging accusations based on fantasies you yourself have constructed in that thick skull of yours is actually victory in itself? Is that what it is? If you keep saying it over and over again - I'm kicking her arse, I've destroyed her, I've won, I've won, I've won - does that make it come true for you?

I can appreciate that in your military training you never say die, try to turn defeat into victory, must keep up morale, what, chaps? But grown-ups know that it's not quite the same in normal adult discourse, discussion, argument. You can't just announce victory a la "Mission Accomplished": you have to win with the forces of logic and reason, or, pace ROB and Jaeger, appeals to morality, humanity, empathy, you have to back up your insults (if insult you must) with facts and arguments. Insults alone don't cut it.

Just saying.
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Re: Penta-bashing

Postby Mikethehack » Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:47 pm

One of the best posts yet, Lady Penta.
That is why you have to marry ME, not that sad sack Soulohio.

Okay, I am willing to give my claim to the size 16 girl, yes, I will even go that far.
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Re: Penta-bashing

Postby flipflop » Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:10 pm

I'm now thinking perhaps your Da was a Major-General. Am I right?

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Re: Penta-bashing

Postby Woodsman » Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:57 pm

Hi penta. How's the sailing and jet setting from England to Spain going?

Out of curiosity, is it possible that the communists you enjoy visiting on your travels would be able to come visit you too - or does their government stipend not allow for that?

Has it occurred to you that you would not be able to travel or own your own private boat if you lived in a communist regime? Am I wrong about you or do you favor communism?

Has it occurred to you that when you criticize the U.S. that you are criticizing the very exact ideals you live by and for? You may not be U.S., but there are a lot of jetsetters and yachters in the U.S. that basically live a lifestyle similar to your own.

All you have "earned" has been possible due to the sweat off the backs of the very people and political systems you criticize. Why do you consistently bite the hand that has fed you?

That's the primary thing that aggravates me. Much of your earlier posts knock the U.S. for one thing or the other (and usually it's leftist based).

Hey, I'm fine with elitism, just don't be an elitist, criticize other elitists and pretend you're not one. It's irresponsible and that's not cool.

Bash Bash Bash....

whatever.
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Re: Penta-bashing

Postby Woodsman » Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:57 pm

Woodsman wrote:
Mrs flop has nothing to worry about, I'd sooner put a dress on someone like coldharvest and give him some rampant man-love before I'd jump in the sack with a horrible creature like you

Cheers


[Fansy tells us how much he's enjoying the thread.


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Re: Penta-bashing

Postby flipflop » Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:39 pm

And then there's the bit where you think it's clever to say you usually go for younger women and I don't give you the kicking you deserve and asked for.


I missed this bit at the first reading. You mentioned it in the main forum too, in your Scratcher thread. Let me guess........you'll put up pictures of me, or my wife, or both of us together from my old blog? with suitable captions? That's been done before here, so I say again - fill your boots. Come on, let's cut through the crap and see the real person behind the myth that is "Penta"

Over to you

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Re: Penta-bashing

Postby soulohio » Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:42 pm

sorry old chap, we exchanged sweet chat this weekend and your name didn't come up once...but they have a saying about birds and lories and how you can just wait on the next one.

i stand facing your general direction.

Mikethehack wrote:One of the best posts yet, Lady Penta.
That is why you have to marry ME, not that sad sack Soulohio.

Okay, I am willing to give my claim to the size 16 girl, yes, I will even go that far.
where are you going? why don't you walk the wheel with us? what is the matter my american friend? what has upset you?
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Re: Penta-bashing

Postby Penta » Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:19 pm

Woodsman wrote:Hi penta. How's the sailing and jet setting from England to Spain going?

Out of curiosity, is it possible that the communists you enjoy visiting on your travels would be able to come visit you too - or does their government stipend not allow for that?

Has it occurred to you that you would not be able to travel or own your own private boat if you lived in a communist regime? Am I wrong about you or do you favor communism?

Has it occurred to you that when you criticize the U.S. that you are criticizing the very exact ideals you live by and for? You may not be U.S., but there are a lot of jetsetters and yachters in the U.S. that basically live a lifestyle similar to your own.

All you have "earned" has been possible due to the sweat off the backs of the very people and political systems you criticize. Why do you consistently bite the hand that has fed you?

That's the primary thing that aggravates me. Much of your earlier posts knock the U.S. for one thing or the other (and usually it's leftist based).

Hey, I'm fine with elitism, just don't be an elitist, criticize other elitists and pretend you're not one. It's irresponsible and that's not cool.

Bash Bash Bash....

whatever.


Is this supposed to be a joke, Woodsman?
Shes never interfered with me. I have no complaints about her.
Same here.
Mega ditto.
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Re: Penta-bashing

Postby docwatson » Tue Jul 15, 2008 4:45 pm

I thought it was the officially sponsored sport of the BFC. Crap, what am I going to do with these season box seat tickets now?
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Re: Penta-bashing

Postby Ultra Swain » Tue Jul 15, 2008 4:49 pm

docwatson wrote:I thought it was the officially sponsored sport of the BFC. Crap, what am I going to do with these season box seat tickets now?


Its like Wimbledon Doc, you can't have every match on Centre Court. Especially when its the same mixed doubles teams day after day.
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Postby denise » Tue Jul 15, 2008 4:56 pm

Penta wrote:I've copied this from the main forum to here, where it belongs:

Keep trying old girl, you're not even warm - I can cyber-kick your ass forever if I wanted to. I've had more pms this week alone than I've had probably in the last two months beforehand - people are enjoying this, it's been on the cards for ages now, they are cracking up with laughter at your long overdue comeuppance. Just look at the hits for your attention whore "Penta-bashing" thread is now getting - THEY'RE FUCKING LOVING IT OUT THERE, YEEEEE-HAWWWW. And, you don't just swallow the bait, you've taken the rod and half the fooking angler. It's almost a double-act, but more like Itchy & Scratchy than Laurel & Hardy.

So, here's the deal: the longer you keep acting a complete arsehole the longer I'm going to wipe the BFC floor with you, so keep plugging away slick, you make it easier with every squawking post. I bet you're wishing I was still ignoring you now, eh? But why deny the long-suffering BFC the free entertainment value?

So, let's have it, fill your fucking boots


let's see how you've "wiped the floor" with me on this thread. I've put all your contributions in bold, in case even the summary is too much for you to read.

We've had Bobby Sands pointing out that you're a pansy, not even capable of reaching the bottom rung of "sea-slug level periwinkle belt status" in the jedi ignoring stakes.

We've had RYP describing your efforts as "wastelands of wasted self primping macholades".

We've had friendlyskies pointing out sensibly that you criticise me for hypocrisy because I'm a typical progressive at the same time as being well off, successful, and happily married, demonstrating either your own hypocrisy or that "you have no ethics, values, or standards as a human being at all".

We've had Medevac pointing out that criticising me as a troll is also wrong, since "If having [and expressing] a different political viewpoint means you are a troll, we are all up shit creek".

We've had Farmdog completely misunderstanding and getting all hot under the collar about a comment I made relating to a poem Coldharvest posted.

We've had jumper getting off on posting a picture of a blonde in a camouflage bikini with a gun, echoed by Woodsman and 19 D 20.

We've had a diversion into Prince Charles, tampax, Princess Diana and goth chicks.

We've had Mikethehack and Soulohio fighting over my hand.

We've had nowonmai butting in irrelevantly every now and then because he doesn't know what's going on and is feeling left out (because unlike you he's apparently been keeping to his ignore resolution).

We've had Bronco (backed by svizzerams) pointing out that if you work hard, save, invest sensibly and don't waste money on other things, it's not so hard to buy a sailing boat, to which nowonmai, accurately for once, commented that our "bite on life's shit sandwich is pretty tasty", but then as usual, turns it to imply that we couldn't possibly have worked for and earned that bite.

We've had rickshaw and sri dissing Birmingham, which is fine by me; just because I like there, doesn't mean anybody else has to.

We've had one or two typically off-the-wall interventions from denise.

Finally, p. 7 on my screen, you put in an appearance again, with a real stinger of a missile: that I'm the privately educated daughter of an army officer, therefore I'm not "a scullery maid daughter of a coal miner", leading to a little diversion takeaways at my house, which you follow up with another zinger about Moazzem Begg (what? because he's Asian, he could only possibly work delivering Indian takeaways? Lovely) and accuse me of being "chavist" and racist because I choose to treat my guest to our justly celebrated local cuisine (followed and balanced the next day, as it happens, by bangers and mash and real ale: still not little Englander enough for you?). Fantastic: what a blow; I must be nearly down and out by now. [/sarcasm]

Back comes friendlyskies to the rescue: on the logical fallacy of the boat ownership issue.

Enter ROB, with his version of the you're-a-hypocrite-because-you-own-a-boat shtick (or stick to try to beat me with), justified by another fallacy - or fantasy - that I spend my time criticising others, nay, "tirades against entire groups", for not giving enough to charity, backed up by nowonmai, who throws into the ring the facts that I drink wine and smoke cigarettes (how shocking and hypocritical) and a total non-fact about my fiddling taxes (doesn't he realise that people like me, with my views, approve of paying taxes, always pay our taxes, have to persuade our advisers that yes, we do want to declare this, and no, we don't want to go into tax exile there?). And of course friendlyskies is back, reliable pointing out how silly such accusations are (and she even says the bit about paying taxes).

Then you're back, flipflop, insulting svizzerams this time (she's too old to keep up), and nowonmai has a go at friendlyskies (earnest, dope-smoking, pinko pussy). Bulls-eyes, both of you. Well done.

Now Mike and Soulohio are back, fighting over who can better hold his drink.

And you're back again with the insults, this time of me: I'm a kept woman and a "Fucking rich bourgeois hypocrite". Sigh. I'm still waiting for a proper attack, with the force of evidence to send it home.

Ultra Swain intervenes with a Lennon quote, and we all start humming happily.

I suggest that your hatred of me might be based on jealousy, which is the cue for ROB to call me a snob, but you're happy in your humble little room in Kabul, enjoying the "anguished cries" you imagine you've provoked.

Then ROB and I go off down the byways into my background, which he, like you, has fantasised as rich and privileged, and my friends, who he seems to imagine to be living off investment income (by contrast with hard-working folk who spend their money on bling: is he talking about you? God knows).

Fansy tells us how much he's enjoying the thread.

And you're back! This time I'm "talking through my sphincter"; my father was a lieutenant colonel or a brigadier so he must have been rolling in it and how could anyone believe any different? I tell you to go fuck yourself.

Meanwhile Nuclear_Football posts a couple of irrelevant images.

Then Mikethehack invokes Queensbury rules (and he, Soulohio and Wayne have a bit more light-hearted banter). I apologise for swearing at you, ROB apologises in case he was unintentionally personal, and bows out of the thread. Without knowing what I've been posting, Nowonmai responds by dropping in a few more insults for good measure (the old Trot traitor, terrorist cheerleading, champagne socialist, criminal record?).

You of course don't apologise for insulting me and others. Oh no, your response to my apology is:

Ah, the old passive/aggressive attack mode: a turgid "apology" in this thread, probably because of the magnitude of the cyber-kicking you're getting in it. ...
You've had this mauling coming for a long time, enjoy it while it lasts. Personal? you fucking bet it is, see it simply as cold, clinical hatred.


And then there's the bit where you think it's clever to say you usually go for younger women
and I don't give you the kicking you deserve and asked for.

So tell me, flipflop: "wiping the floor with me", "cyber-kicking", "mauling"? Where is this great victory of yours? Where did you - or anyone else - land a telling blow (or even a glancing one)? Or do you think being rude to someone, calling them names, flinging accusations based on fantasies you yourself have constructed in that thick skull of yours is actually victory in itself? Is that what it is? If you keep saying it over and over again - I'm kicking her arse, I've destroyed her, I've won, I've won, I've won - does that make it come true for you?

I can appreciate that in your military training you never say die, try to turn defeat into victory, must keep up morale, what, chaps? But grown-ups know that it's not quite the same in normal adult discourse, discussion, argument. You can't just announce victory a la "Mission Accomplished": you have to win with the forces of logic and reason, or, pace ROB and Jaeger, appeals to morality, humanity, empathy, you have to back up your insults (if insult you must) with facts and arguments. Insults alone don't cut it.

Just saying.


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Re: Penta-bashing

Postby Jäeger » Wed Jul 16, 2008 3:26 am

You can't just announce victory a la "Mission Accomplished": you have to win with the forces of logic and reason, or, pace ROB and Jaeger, appeals to morality, humanity, empathy, you have to back up your insults (if insult you must) with facts and arguments. Insults alone don't cut it.


Hey why did you have to bring me into this? Are you implying that my arguments lack logic and reason? :)

Well, if I’m in for a penny, I’m in for a pound on the penta-bashing thread.

First off, I don’t care about your boat or your houses or how much you pull down. Good on you babe, I could care less. I also don’t care about your real or alleged political biases, because I’m already more of a red than you. I also haven’t called you names and I’m not about to, so it’s another non-issue.

The main issue I have with you is that you are nearly impossible to discuss things with. You come across basically as a bigot. You constantly throw around, and seem to believe in, every negative stereotype of Americans (or whatever the hell you’re calling us this week) and seem to define your world-view with America as your own personal scapegoat. If you substituted a racial slur for every time you mentioned Americans, you would see my point right off the bat.

Now, I already know that you don’t hate all Americans personally, some of “us people” are probably ok in your book. Just like a bigot might not hate all coloured folk, just the majority that are (insert stereotype here), but the remainder of “us people” aren’t that bad, just a little ignorant and in need of your guidance, right? It’s a shame that you’re “against” imperialism, because you’d be quite good at it.

That’s why I basically treat you like I would treat any other bigot. I nod and once in awhile might try to bring up a counter-example of where the stereotype fails, but in general, I just accept the ignorance and realise that there is no reasonable discussion to be had with bigots. It’s a shame because you are quite intelligent and capable of bringing some excellent points to the table, but your bigotry (whether real or simply perceived) is off-putting to many.

I don’t know what you can do to fix it or if you even want to fix it, but I think it is the reason why some feel the need to “bash” you. I really don’t think they picked you at random. Thus ends my “penta-bashing” or constructive criticism or my display of American ignorance. Take it or leave it.
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Re: Penta-bashing

Postby Penta » Wed Jul 16, 2008 3:20 pm

Ironic, then, that the 2 bashers-in-chief are Brits. :)
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Re: Penta-bashing

Postby Jäeger » Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:17 pm

Ironic, then, that the 2 bashers-in-chief are Brits. :)


Not really. I see more white folks trying to talk sense to klansmen than blacks, mostly because black folks realise that it's a waste of time to try to talk sense to bigots.

Besides, the two Brits have their own issues with you, as far as you being a traitor, supporting the killing of British troops and all that stuff goes. I'll leave all of you to sort that out, but I can see how you've managed to offend some folks.

Like I said, maybe its just that you have a polemical writing style or something, but I think you come across as a self-righteous, prejudiced bigot. Some of your comments could easily be considered insulting and offensive, and that keeps me from engaging you in real discussion and probably contributes to some of the "bashing" by others.
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Re: Penta-bashing

Postby Penta » Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:23 pm

Jäeger wrote:Not really. I see more white folks trying to talk sense to klansmen than blacks, mostly because black folks realise that it's a waste of time to try to talk sense to bigots.


Are you suggesting flipflop and nowonmai talk sense in their posts directed at me?
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Mega ditto.
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