Kurt wrote:The US will never have a Civil War.
But, we might be in line for a massacre or two.
Historically the masscres in the US always had a native American vs. Settlers or Mormon vs. Not-Mormon or just killing Unionists and Coal minors because you could not stand uppity Dagos and Heathen Chinee asserting themsevles to get fairly paid for their labor.
A few deviated from that "Cowboys" rarely massacred indians. They liked to murder farmers. The last union based massacre would have been around 1972 in Harlan County in Kentucky (a small one but still) and of course Kent State, and Greensboro.
I would look for more massacres along the line of "Mormons" vs outsiders (but not by Mormons hence the quotes) and "Kent State".
The right wing in the US, not the strict constitutionalists that I admire and will usually side with, but the Sarah Palin type wing will probably massacre "leftists" one day. They are always saying "our side has the guns" and they tend to be chickenshits in every other aspect of life, and give a chickenshit a gun and a mirror that shows what a chickenshit they are and they are gonna shoot that mirror.
It will happen one day among a group of "counter protestors" who decide it is best, like what happened in Greensboro where the commies made the mistake of "taking on the Klan" when the actual Klan had not done much of anything for 10 years other than pretend they were relevent.
If it happens it will happen like that. The Palin wing of the conservatives will protest something and then a few leftists will counter protest them. It will be in a "gun state" like Arizona where people have been tolerated in the past carrying rifles in public and the protestors will have signs and masks and not much else and kablooey...someone will yell "I am afraid for my life" and there will be blood.
ROB wrote:Too many Americans think they won a war of independence when it was actually the French.
Messes up their perspective.
Heh, lack of firearms training is what used to spook me when the local guys and gals in blue are holding boomsticks. Other than standard issue pistol there seems to be everything from pump action shotguns over ancient uzis to what look to be pretty recent models steyr aug.AztecDave wrote: Since 9/11, I think there has been a gross over militarization of city police forces in general. Unfortunately, the maturity, and i think, training, of a lot of officers is severely lacking. So you get the shoot first mentality.
Alphabet wrote:On the militarization of police:
You know all those used MRAPs that were beat to shit, then given to local and state agencies? There was no service/parts part of the contract.
Here ya go, you're on your own. Uncle Sam not only saved millions by not having to go through the EPA to junk them, they essentially long range defunded the police.
We have one that has been sitting in the county motor pool for a year and hasn't moved an inch. Tires deflated. Cobwebs all over.
If I were a local PD what I would want would be a bunch of anti-armor and anti-air rocket launchers to keep the Feds in check. Doubt they'll ever dole those out... "Rifle behind every blade of grass" is the stuff people print on t-shirts.Kurt wrote: If I were a local PD I would not want all that shit. MRAPS, MRADS and those tanks that have their barrels replaced with battering rams.
Kurt wrote:Alphabet wrote:On the militarization of police:
You know all those used MRAPs that were beat to shit, then given to local and state agencies? There was no service/parts part of the contract.
Here ya go, you're on your own. Uncle Sam not only saved millions by not having to go through the EPA to junk them, they essentially long range defunded the police.
We have one that has been sitting in the county motor pool for a year and hasn't moved an inch. Tires deflated. Cobwebs all over.
If I were a local PD I would not want all that shit. MRAPS, MRADS and those tanks that have their barrels replaced with battering rams.
The maintenance alone would be hell and I never considered the whole "trash disposal" angle.
NYC has all that stuff but when you see the Militarized cops they are driving about in a van that has a brushcutter in front and one of those ballistic safety boxes in the back so they can stick the barrel in the box while they load or remove the clips.
Even after 9/11 I never saw the MRADS in use, though in Hunts Point in the Bronx, where they are stored, apparently they are used in drug busts all the time.
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