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Tarkan wrote:MJK I don’t doubt some of the shutdown enthusiasm is, to quote Rahm Emanuel, about not letting a good crisis go to waste. But I don’t think Italy et al shut down as part of a grand conspiracy to hurt Trump. Democrats running states seem to be a little more enthusiastic at curtailing freedoms for the “common good” - you know, Gretchen Whitmer banning the sale or purchase of gardening seeds was just her trying to protect us from ourselves. New York cops forcing a married couple to maintain social distance of at least 6 feet on a park bench or get arrested the same. California police arresting a man kayaking on the empty coast - well, we never know where corona is lurking so we? Then of course they had to empty the prisons because it’s just inhuman to let people convicted of aggravated assault or attempted murder get sick from Covid - but it’s karma and just deserts if we imprison people who violate Covid distancing or mask rules and they get Covid and die. Shows the rest of the sheep I mean citizens how dangerous this thing is. Reminds me of the war on drugs. Drugs will ruin your life and to prove it we’ll arrest you and convict you of a felony - congrats your life is now ruined. Covid will kill you - and if you don’t believe us and flaunt the rules we’ll put you in a jail environment with confined people in close proximity with open air exposure to sick prisoners and common aid circulation. And if by chance you didn’t have Covid going in, you damn sure will have it by the time we reopen the courts to hear your case.
ROB wrote:Tarkan wrote:MJK I don’t doubt some of the shutdown enthusiasm is, to quote Rahm Emanuel, about not letting a good crisis go to waste. But I don’t think Italy et al shut down as part of a grand conspiracy to hurt Trump. Democrats running states seem to be a little more enthusiastic at curtailing freedoms for the “common good” - you know, Gretchen Whitmer banning the sale or purchase of gardening seeds was just her trying to protect us from ourselves. New York cops forcing a married couple to maintain social distance of at least 6 feet on a park bench or get arrested the same. California police arresting a man kayaking on the empty coast - well, we never know where corona is lurking so we? Then of course they had to empty the prisons because it’s just inhuman to let people convicted of aggravated assault or attempted murder get sick from Covid - but it’s karma and just deserts if we imprison people who violate Covid distancing or mask rules and they get Covid and die. Shows the rest of the sheep I mean citizens how dangerous this thing is. Reminds me of the war on drugs. Drugs will ruin your life and to prove it we’ll arrest you and convict you of a felony - congrats your life is now ruined. Covid will kill you - and if you don’t believe us and flaunt the rules we’ll put you in a jail environment with confined people in close proximity with open air exposure to sick prisoners and common aid circulation. And if by chance you didn’t have Covid going in, you damn sure will have it by the time we reopen the courts to hear your case.
Did you climax as you wrote that?
Kurt wrote:Texas seems to be where NY was in Mid April. NYC is crowded and sometimes you have places where 6 people live in a 1 bedroom apartment.
Italy is the same way. We picture Italian villas but many Italian houses and apartments resemble a clown car, but with better food and clothes.
So if Trump, Like Cuomo, screwed up initially, does that mean he is doing better now at containing the virus?
Is there really evidence the economy is not hit in the long run when we face a percentage death rate? If so, what?
Also, if I were to use an example of Open Vs. Closed I would use California's rising rate of infection Vs. Whomever is open. NY State has been managed fairly well with very little help from the Feds, and in fact we had a Navy Hospital ship that no one could figure out how to get admitted to and they would not take non-covid emergency cases...which would have helped existing Hospitals.
Also another long term fuck up was Bloomberg and Cuomo presided over the shutting down of 3 hospitals in the NYC area, one of which was turned into Luxury West Village Rentals. Not smart to get rid of Hospitals in favor of Real Estate interests.
Tarkan wrote: Now, you guys are all for shutting down the economy permanently. Remember flatten the curve? Now it’s wreck the economy so Biden can be President.
Kurt wrote:Do you really think this is being done to wreck the economy so Biden can become President?
Tarkan wrote:Do I think the shutdowns are some big anti-Trump conspiracy? Nah.
Kurt wrote:Tarkan wrote: Now, you guys are all for shutting down the economy permanently. Remember flatten the curve? Now it’s wreck the economy so Biden can be President.Kurt wrote:Do you really think this is being done to wreck the economy so Biden can become President?Tarkan wrote:Do I think the shutdowns are some big anti-Trump conspiracy? Nah.
Ok I will rephrase this:
Do you think that the Dems want to shutdown the economy so Biden can get elected?
Tarkan wrote:While we are talking about inept leadership, let’s talk about Cuomo - who ordered nursing homes to accept COVID positive patients. Where have most of the fatalities occurred? Nursing homes. Who is most seriously affected by COVID? Elderly people with co-morbidities - you know - the type of people in nursing homes.
The CFR for this if you are under 60 is in line with a bad seasonal flu. 0.1 to 0.2%.
In the past, during epidemics, we quarantined the sick and let the healthy proceed as normal.
When Trump put the travel ban on China in place, Democrats accused him of being racist. Now, you guys are all for shutting down the economy permanently. Remember flatten the curve? Now it’s wreck the economy so Biden can be President.
Kurt wrote:Tarkan wrote:While we are talking about inept leadership, let’s talk about Cuomo - who ordered nursing homes to accept COVID positive patients. Where have most of the fatalities occurred? Nursing homes. Who is most seriously affected by COVID? Elderly people with co-morbidities - you know - the type of people in nursing homes.
The CFR for this if you are under 60 is in line with a bad seasonal flu. 0.1 to 0.2%.
In the past, during epidemics, we quarantined the sick and let the healthy proceed as normal.
When Trump put the travel ban on China in place, Democrats accused him of being racist. Now, you guys are all for shutting down the economy permanently. Remember flatten the curve? Now it’s wreck the economy so Biden can be President.
Total death rate in the USA is 4.9%
Why are you only counting "under 60"? because 5% death rate for an easily transmittable illness is pretty high.
ReptilianKittenEater wrote:Up north some modelling done suggest Ontario has 18x the official case count and Quebec has 12x, so multiplying official cases in developed countries by 10 sounds reasonable.
However the kicker is that I think there more deaths than 500k worldwide. I had an aunt die in NYC in April, she was 90 and in a care facility but had an illness and suddenly died. Not tested for covid but looks like a good culprit. If that happens in in a developed country it is happening a lot in say India.
Another thing specialists suggest viruses tend to mutate to a less deadly form. After all H1N1 killed 50 million in its first party but then turned into a beta and could only manage 500k in 2009. Too bad this hasn't happened for rabies. I can't say that isn't happening. Just hope they don't have to dig up a lot of parks for graves before it happens.
Kurt wrote:ReptilianKittenEater wrote:Up north some modelling done suggest Ontario has 18x the official case count and Quebec has 12x, so multiplying official cases in developed countries by 10 sounds reasonable.
However the kicker is that I think there more deaths than 500k worldwide. I had an aunt die in NYC in April, she was 90 and in a care facility but had an illness and suddenly died. Not tested for covid but looks like a good culprit. If that happens in in a developed country it is happening a lot in say India.
Another thing specialists suggest viruses tend to mutate to a less deadly form. After all H1N1 killed 50 million in its first party but then turned into a beta and could only manage 500k in 2009. Too bad this hasn't happened for rabies. I can't say that isn't happening. Just hope they don't have to dig up a lot of parks for graves before it happens.
Most likely, and I say this as an Armchair virologist, it will mutate into a more harmless form. Corona Viruses are more related to the Cold Virus. Herd Immunity does not happen with the Cold Virus, it changes, and you keep getting it anyway. The best thing to do is not to get it, especially now.
But morons are entitled to throw shit fits when they are asked, by private property owners, to wear a mask. Dummies go out and swim and go to megachurches and sing for hours on end.
Bet you guys are glad Trudeau and Co. is preventing fat, stupid disease bags from coming up there for a bit, huh?
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