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Kurt wrote:For the "The Election is Rigged" crowd:
What is the hope now? That the electoral college does not vote for Biden? If they do vote for Biden then what is the plan?
General Strike or something less peaceful?
In general order:
1. Keep PA, GA, MI, WI, and/or AZ from having their electors cast votes based on the current certified results via court challenge 2. Tie up in courts until it shifts to legislatures or keeps those states from being counted in entirety 3. Have Congress decide the election when 270 votes can't be achieved by either candidate.
I do not expect much or any violence from the right if Trump loses and runs out of options to contest the loss. I expect a modest amount of noise (by modest, I mean a lot less than the left generated when Hillary lost in 2016).
Whats the plan now? It seems up to the electors.
Is the ideal scenario for the "it was stolen" crowd just to hope that the electors agree with the claims and vote for Trump?
If that does not work then what is the next step?
The next step is declassify everything and pardon everyone on his way out.
Although, I confess, it would be a perfect reality TV ending and a capstone to 2020 if he refused to vacate the office and had to be escorted out by US Marshals.
I'd whore myself out just one more time if I knew who to screw to get out of this grind.
Kurt wrote:For the "The Election is Rigged" crowd:
What is the hope now? That the electoral college does not vote for Biden? If they do vote for Biden then what is the plan?
General Strike or something less peaceful?
In general order:
1. Keep PA, GA, MI, WI, and/or AZ from having their electors cast votes based on the current certified results via court challenge 2. Tie up in courts until it shifts to legislatures or keeps those states from being counted in entirety 3. Have Congress decide the election when 270 votes can't be achieved by either candidate.
I do not expect much or any violence from the right if Trump loses and runs out of options to contest the loss. I expect a modest amount of noise (by modest, I mean a lot less than the left generated when Hillary lost in 2016).
Whats the plan now? It seems up to the electors.
Is the ideal scenario for the "it was stolen" crowd just to hope that the electors agree with the claims and vote for Trump?
If that does not work then what is the next step?
The next step is declassify everything and pardon everyone on his way out.
Although, I confess, it would be a perfect reality TV ending and a capstone to 2020 if he refused to vacate the office and had to be escorted out by US Marshals.
Wait...Declassify everything? As in literally everything?
Tarkan wrote: The next step is declassify everything.
Hate to sound like a handsome, well-paid stooge for the deep state but those decisions shouldn't be up to elected officials IMO.
Since we do not have a King, it has to be up to someone for pardons.
Of course Pardons are supposed to be an act of justice and mercy, like where a law has to be obeyed but because of it, justice was not served.
A good example of a good pardon is Governor Patterson of New York State pardoned a man for killing a young man who was on his property threatening to kill his son (after trying to run the kid over with his car). He had a black powder pistol and pretty much set the kid on fire. But he had an illegal weapon and admitted to the police that he did not give the dead kid an option to escape the property.
The "murderer" had survived KKK attacks in the south in the 1950s when his family was targeted.
But he went to prison anyway because he talked to cops, confessed everything since he assumed he would be in the clear. So the Governor had to pardon him.
Jimmy Carter pardoned all the draft dodgers. Most ended up liking Canada so much that they stayed but still that was needed.
The rules assumes that the President has an amount of decency and has the best interests of his country and the interest of justice when the pardons are made. Clinton and Bush made some shitty, self serving pardons. Ford got the ball rolling of course by pardoning Nixon ..No one actually thought a president who was never elected or even part of the elected ticket as vice president would dare to pardon the person who gave him the most powerful job in the world (at the time) but he did.
Whatever Trump does will likely be shitty but we should just suck it up and keep the institution of executive pardons anyway.
Kurt wrote:Wait...Declassify everything? As in literally everything?
Pardon everyone as in literally everyone?
Not literally everything, but everything around the election interference, everything around the CIA/NSA/FBI black ops against the 2016 Trump campaign and the 2017-2020 Trump admin, at a minimum.
I'd whore myself out just one more time if I knew who to screw to get out of this grind.
Kurt wrote:Wait...Declassify everything? As in literally everything?
Pardon everyone as in literally everyone?
Not literally everything, but everything around the election interference, everything around the CIA/NSA/FBI black ops against the 2016 Trump campaign and the 2017-2020 Trump admin, at a minimum.
Ahhh...Ok I was wondering.
I am one of those somewhat aspie types who takes "everything" as literally everything.
el3so wrote:Now that kind of leak might actually help in draining the swamp.
Nah. I've been reading Peter Turchin lately. We're at the tail end of the stagflation stage of a secular cycle, heading into the depression phase.
Our principal problem is elite over production and intra-elite competition. The way you drain the swamp from this point out is to extinguish most of the elites.
I'd whore myself out just one more time if I knew who to screw to get out of this grind.
el3so wrote:Now that kind of leak might actually help in draining the swamp.
Nah. I've been reading Peter Turchin lately. We're at the tail end of the stagflation stage of a secular cycle, heading into the depression phase.
Our principal problem is elite over production and intra-elite competition. The way you drain the swamp from this point out is to extinguish most of the elites.
el3so wrote:Now that kind of leak might actually help in draining the swamp.
Nah. I've been reading Peter Turchin lately. We're at the tail end of the stagflation stage of a secular cycle, heading into the depression phase.
Our principal problem is elite over production and intra-elite competition. The way you drain the swamp from this point out is to extinguish most of the elites.
Thats not what Turchin advocates. I first heard of him in 2016 when he said that Donald Trump getting elected reflects an increase in negative trends and he anticipated his (wrongly) his reelection in 2020 as well. He seems to think that the only candidates that can reverse this negative trend would be those pushing for ending economic disparity. So Biden would not seem to be a solution to the problem but perhaps just a brief pause to allows the negative trends to better organize.
Kurt wrote:Even if Hunter Biden is the monster that is claimed...I do think he is a crackhead party boy...But I doubt he is the dangerous pervert they made him out to be.
Plus the "hunter biden laptop"
The weird-ass tech guy said he was "Hired, never paid" to transfer data from the laptop to an external drive
So basically the data came from the copied drive, not the laptop.
Thus making a forensic image of the laptop impossible.
Which is why they are suddenly focusing on his taxes....which rich guys do tend to evade.
If you look at the video you can see "fantasist" all over the place. Having dealt with this type before in the field of computer security (from back in the day after 9/11) the people who would break into anti-War websites always would point to their family's history, but not their military service as proof they did nothing wrong, or if actually caught and presented with evidence of their crime they would use that to justify their actions or, if needed, as a plea for leniency.
What strikes me about all of this. The denial of the election results, the "Hunter Biden" stuff is just how ....weird everyone is.
Not just an occasional eccentric like the blue hair, nose pierced analyst of Cambridge Analytica who was found in a stodgy world of Old Etonians and Tory connected Fleet Streeters, but all total fucking weirdos.
This again.
Anyway this is so fucking hilarious.
Where is the whistleblower? Well, he has been a fugitive since November of 2022. Gal Luft is wanted by both the U.S.A and Belgium for making false statements to US and Belgian officials relating to his claim he was preventing China from making a deal for Iranian arms and oil when he was actually acting to facilitate that deal.
Then some stuff with illegal arms dealing with Tchad.
It is also oddly similar to what John Kerry was investigated for in 2019. A better write up is here:
Then, about the only (formerly) elected official who knows about digital forensics, Denver Riggleman has found what I speculated:
No forensic image of the laptop exists. The laptop exists but no forensic image was made by the claimants.
He claims that this was all fabricated by Giuliani and Bannon. And that maybe up to 40 people "added content" to the original laptop. That a legally blind man claims was given to him by Hunter Biden, though he could not see if it was Hunter Biden and also had no record of payment from Hunter Biden because he said he was "Hired, Not paid"
So, this means that if there are images of "underaged" girls on the laptop that would mean that the Groundskeeper Willie Cosplay Enthusiast is gonna take the fall.
Anyone whoever works with forensics knows that when it comes to illegal images the "owner" had better have their shit together. A Mac laptop image in raw, e01, or AFF4 had better show that someone else added those images before they came into possession of the drive and not after.
The Scottish fantasist will probably be spared child porn stuff because it was probably added after he gave it to Rudy / Bannon, but if I were him I would lawyer up and make a deal.
The other thing is that the WhatsApp chat screenshots that claim to be Hunter Biden claiming "My dad is in the room now" used a photograph made 4 years after the conversation was claimed to have taken place. (it is implied also that Hunter Biden's phone locations and messages do not coincide with the locations claimed by the laptop, but that cannot be revealed in full until the trial)
Basically Trump, Bannon and Giuliani are criminals. Like all Crims with money they attract the services of other Criminals ranging from someone large, like Gal Luft, to sad nobodies like the John Paul Mac Isaac. And they are not very smart. They had no clue that digital forensics even exists and had no idea that someone could just contradict them with facts. The problem is that most people do not know about digital forensics, even the basics, so it requires a larger effort to explain to people what is going on. And even to explain things like raw images, drive sectors, what is deleted and what is not. Timestamps, both true and faked (I can fake a timestamp but it is impossible to do that on a drive sector, that will always be relative to the internal drive clock)
Anyway, everything is beginning to pile up. The same lack of inertia that kept Trump and Co. functioning without consequences has turned against them. Once Trump is actually locked up he will probably never leave a state of incarceration and his followers won't do shit for him.
