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Kurt wrote:I mean keep vigilant and order vaccines and stuff but it will take bodies on the sidewalk before i stop envying you.
Nothing controversial about that.vagabond wrote: The only controversial take I have, because you can never say stuff about kids, is that even though infections/hospitalizations are up for under 12s, there have still only been 500 deaths out 520k the CDC has demographic data on for under 18s with extremely low rates of vaccinations for 12-18 year olds[1]. So all this fuss about schools, masks, etc just seems like wasted time and energy on BS again.
In an ideal world, maybe.vagabond wrote: That and this talk of a third booster to me, at least, make a stronger argument for getting vaccines out to countries with weaker health systems, etc.
el3so wrote: vagabond wrote:
The only controversial take I have, because you can never say stuff about kids, is that even though infections/hospitalizations are up for under 12s, there have still only been 500 deaths out 520k the CDC has demographic data on for under 18s with extremely low rates of vaccinations for 12-18 year olds[1]. So all this fuss about schools, masks, etc just seems like wasted time and energy on BS again.
Nothing controversial about that.
Schools reopening with or without masks is more about exposing the children's parents/caregivers (and grandparents or other elderly etc relatives) to the disease.
vagabond wrote:
That and this talk of a third booster to me, at least, make a stronger argument for getting vaccines out to countries with weaker health systems, etc.
In an ideal world, maybe.
Seeing how the pfizer dose has a short shelf-life, the logistics involved and money making the world go round, all those shots refused by American citizens and other first-world contrarians (being polite for conversation's sake here) are wasted instead of being sent to those less-privileged nations where people would probably welcome it.
Sure. But if a lot of them are not, they will clog up the health care system which leads to even more excess deaths, system seems frayed already after last year and a half. Doubt many people are okay to deal with that.vagabond wrote: Right... which means if those parents/caregivers are vaccinated it shouldn't be so bad if they do contract it.
I think there is more space for nuance in the firearms regulation, 2nd Amendment debate than there is in how to deal with a global infectious disease.vagabond wrote: Parents fighting this stuff more than they do when someone kills a classroom of elementary kids.
el3so wrote:vagabond wrote: Right... which means if those parents/caregivers are vaccinated it shouldn't be so bad if they do contract it.Sure. But if a lot of them are not, they will clog up the health care system which leads to even more excess deaths, system seems frayed already after last year and a half. Doubt many people are okay to deal with that.
vagabond wrote: Parents fighting this stuff more than they do when someone kills a classroom of elementary kids.
I think there is more space for nuance in the firearms regulation, 2nd Amendment debate than there is in how to deal with a global infectious disease.
El Pelon wrote:Well I caught the black death. I had a headache and a fever for one day and then it was gone. A complete nothing burger for me. ProjectAlice had a bit more of a run and she has felt like crap for a few days but she's turned the corner. In the end, Quercetin, Vit D3, Vit C and Zinc worked. Project Alice took ivermectin and had good results.
The immune system works when given what it needs to do the job.
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